Originally Posted by supercooper
(Post 1004187)
i would think that the bent rod, would shorten the upward stroke, even if only a small amount... when the spark went off, being that the piston wasnt where it was SUPPOSED to be, it would almost act like pre-detonation, slamming the piston down against the continual rotating mass, causing the knock against the crank.... even the smallest inconsistency can sound bigger than it is.
OR the slight bend put lateral torque on the piston, and it slanted in the cylinder, knocking off the cylinder walls... BUT, you said theres no wall damage. im leaning more towards the first possibility |
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Here are a few more pics from teardown:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366755561 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366755561 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366755561 Cylinder 4 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366755561 |
Originally Posted by codrus
(Post 1004282)
No, you can't alter the angular position of TDC & BDC by bending the rod -- those are fixed by the throws on the crank. The piston's linear axis of movement is constrained by the cylinder, so a bent rod basically acts like a shorter and fatter rod. The rod can hit the cylinder wall or the piston skirt can hit the crank at the bottom of the stroke.
so, would this JUST make a bigger space for combustion to occur, but still combusting when the CRANK is TDC? could that create any kind of noise? because it doesnt look the the rod was bent radically enough for the piston skirt to knock on the rotating crank. sorry, im just digging to find stuff out... its not easy to do, not having the engine in front of me, im just really curious where the knock could be coming from, so im running all kinds of possibilities through my head. lol |
could the bent rod have torqued the metal in some way down to the base, making a loose fit on the bearing, creating a larger clearance, and therefore a knock against the crank???
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You got a pm Kinavo. I want those rods.
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Oh hai, any new updates on that lamp?
As far as the rod goes, i'm guesssing it could make that sound since the weight difference to the one side could theoretically slap the cylinder at the wall. I'm guessing it also twisted sideways so it was harder to turn. At the very minimum ensure you get the walls honed and checked for roundness. |
Originally Posted by triple88a
(Post 1005042)
Oh hai, any new updates on that lamp?
As far as the rod goes, i'm guesssing it could make that sound since the weight difference to the one side could theoretically slap the cylinder at the wall. I'm guessing it also twisted sideways so it was harder to turn. At the very minimum ensure you get the walls honed and checked for roundness. Personally I'm not sure I'd reuse any part of that bottom end. --Ian |
I dont think there are missing pieces of the piston. It looks intact but I will double check. Nevertheless, I will have the cylinder rehoned and checked for roundness. I will have the crank checked and will replace the piston. Forged rods are already en route. All Rings and bearings will be replaced as well.
I appreciate the advice guys. Regarding the hypothesis of the sound coming from piston slap, would the noise be as consistent or would it be more random? |
Originally Posted by Kinavo
(Post 1005240)
I dont think there are missing pieces of the piston. It looks intact but I will double check.
--Ian |
Originally Posted by Kinavo
(Post 1005240)
Regarding the hypothesis of the sound coming from piston slap, would the noise be as consistent or would it be more random?
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Originally Posted by triple88a
(Post 1005310)
My experience has been mostly consistent.
Interesting. What you thought was a missing piece was in fact a carbon flake pushing to the side making it look like a hole. |
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This part of the piston touches the crankshaft.
Attachment 74931 If you inspect your crankshaft you probably find marks on the "counter weights" dunno what you call it (I'm from non-English speaking country) that is whats making the noise. My engi made the same noise when i bent my rods. |
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Originally Posted by myrando
(Post 1005742)
This part of the piston touches the crankshaft.
Attachment 74931 If you inspect your crankshaft you probably find marks on the "counter weights" dunno what you call it (I'm from non-English speaking country) that is whats making the noise. My engi made the same noise when i bent my rods. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367188626 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367188626 Here is a pic of the bearings on that rod. Is that normal wear? It doesnt look good to me. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367188626 |
Wow, it's a scary thought that a rod can bend on stock or sub 200 bhp.
Might be best to replace the bearings, don't know if that's normal or not. |
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