Bold new world! kind of, okay not really - Engine build
09-14-2012, 11:53 AM
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Bold new world! kind of, okay not really - Engine build
Was considering a LS3 swap in my 05 MSM (w/budget in place) but am now reconsideing a stroker build w/turbo.
(Please - this thread is not a V8 vs I4t debate)
I'm looking for solid direction from people who have build said engines w/turbos. Car is a weekend warrior, mild track day car, like to see 275-300rwhp and a ton of mid range torque if I can get it. Already talked to Trackspeed and FM but wanted to open the question out to the masses.
Open to suggestion, parts, companies, etc... I have a second/spare MSM engine for the build. When suggesting parts please explain why.
Regards, O
(Please - this thread is not a V8 vs I4t debate)
I'm looking for solid direction from people who have build said engines w/turbos. Car is a weekend warrior, mild track day car, like to see 275-300rwhp and a ton of mid range torque if I can get it. Already talked to Trackspeed and FM but wanted to open the question out to the masses.
Open to suggestion, parts, companies, etc... I have a second/spare MSM engine for the build. When suggesting parts please explain why.
Regards, O
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09-14-2012, 12:27 PM
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A stroker? Do you **** money? There are lot of better things to spend money on - like triple adjustable XIDAs 
There is nothing specific you need to do for that power level. Basically, any forged bottom end will do.
- Any low compression pistons (+1mm)
- Any forged rods
- ARP main and head studs
- Billet oil pump
- Your choice of bearings
Voila you have the same bottom end that virtually everyone has here!!
If you want to be baller, you can throw in a $150 MBSP like this - https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...-pickup-68385/
There is nothing specific you need to do for that power level. Basically, any forged bottom end will do.
- Any low compression pistons (+1mm)
- Any forged rods
- ARP main and head studs
- Billet oil pump
- Your choice of bearings
Voila you have the same bottom end that virtually everyone has here!!
If you want to be baller, you can throw in a $150 MBSP like this - https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...-pickup-68385/
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09-14-2012, 01:18 PM
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Have the Xida's w/suspenion bits, wilwood brakes and roll bars, etc...
As for **** money I think its cheaper in the long run to increase the power of a car thats already paid for and track proven than to trade/sell it for, lets say a FRS (yeah), lotus or an older 993. 15g's doesn't get you much... but it sure can make a difference to an already great car like the miata - but you know that.
Money aside, how would you proceed?
Regards, O
As for **** money I think its cheaper in the long run to increase the power of a car thats already paid for and track proven than to trade/sell it for, lets say a FRS (yeah), lotus or an older 993. 15g's doesn't get you much... but it sure can make a difference to an already great car like the miata - but you know that.
Money aside, how would you proceed?
Regards, O
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09-14-2012, 01:46 PM
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build a simple forged bottom end (1.9L, no stroker needed)
build a 99-00 or VVT head
pick a turbo
get a fabricator to build you hotside/exhaust parts and i/c piping
get a turbo crane
get v-bands everywhere you can and inconel studs if you can't
use your 6 speed
get a lower ratio diff (3.6 gears + OS Giken for god-mode)
upgrade fuel system (ID1000 injectors, -6AN lines from tank, DW300 pump)
get trackspeed radiator and coolant reroute
???
profit
build a 99-00 or VVT head
pick a turbo
get a fabricator to build you hotside/exhaust parts and i/c piping
get a turbo crane
get v-bands everywhere you can and inconel studs if you can't
use your 6 speed
get a lower ratio diff (3.6 gears + OS Giken for god-mode)
upgrade fuel system (ID1000 injectors, -6AN lines from tank, DW300 pump)
get trackspeed radiator and coolant reroute
???
profit
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09-14-2012, 02:08 PM
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I also don't think the FM $troker is worth it. If you're spending that much money just go LSX. As for a nice turbo build ( which you should do ) any semi built 1.8 bottom end will do.
Realistically you could drop in some rods and run 280-300whp. However a fully built motor is always better. +1 on the 1.9
Realistically you could drop in some rods and run 280-300whp. However a fully built motor is always better. +1 on the 1.9
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09-14-2012, 02:14 PM
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...as per Trackspeed (personal email - today)
"If you have a budget at all, forget about the stroker. They provide a small torque bump (~15-20ft.lbs) for a massive, massive cost.
Our turbo kit will be capable of ~325whp while still maintaining unparalleled low-end torque (on a VVT motor, you should expect ~220ft.lbs at 3000rpm). You'll need to build a motor and a fuel system, but our kit's turbo, intercooler, fuel injectors, and ECU will meet your goals with no alterations required."
"If you have a budget at all, forget about the stroker. They provide a small torque bump (~15-20ft.lbs) for a massive, massive cost.
Our turbo kit will be capable of ~325whp while still maintaining unparalleled low-end torque (on a VVT motor, you should expect ~220ft.lbs at 3000rpm). You'll need to build a motor and a fuel system, but our kit's turbo, intercooler, fuel injectors, and ECU will meet your goals with no alterations required."
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09-14-2012, 05:40 PM
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Was considering a LS3 swap in my 05 MSM (w/budget in place) but am now reconsideing a stroker build w/turbo.
(Please - this thread is not a V8 vs I4t debate)
I'm looking for solid direction from people who have build said engines w/turbos. Car is a weekend warrior, mild track day car, like to see 275-300rwhp and a ton of mid range torque if I can get it. Already talked to Trackspeed and FM but wanted to open the question out to the masses.
Open to suggestion, parts, companies, etc... I have a second/spare MSM engine for the build. When suggesting parts please explain why.
(Please - this thread is not a V8 vs I4t debate)
I'm looking for solid direction from people who have build said engines w/turbos. Car is a weekend warrior, mild track day car, like to see 275-300rwhp and a ton of mid range torque if I can get it. Already talked to Trackspeed and FM but wanted to open the question out to the masses.
Open to suggestion, parts, companies, etc... I have a second/spare MSM engine for the build. When suggesting parts please explain why.
Stroker is very 2009. Just sleeve overbore to 2.4L for max torques
Seriously has anyone seen a 2554 or 2560 on e85 dyno?
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