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To suck or not to suck...
So building a fuel system for the MSM, (EFR 6758 350whp goal) going to put fuel regulator in back of car. Do I need to have a vacuum line on it? It will MS tuned so can you just tune around the fuel boost reference fuel pressure increase or not?
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Are you converting to return-style? it would be foolish to put in a regulator and convert to return style and not reference it. Really foolish.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1310785)
Are you converting to return-style? it would be foolish to put in a regulator and convert to return style and not reference it. Really foolish.
Yes return style, but regulator in back of car. Foolish, ok. But school me, why? |
Because as your boost builds you need to build fuel pressure too otherwise you'll run out of fuel for no good reason.
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Also planning my fuel system for MSM EFR swap and was thinking the rear mount regulator might be a bad idea since the vacuum line would have to be so long if you want it referenced. I'd think that would slow down signal changes even with a very solid vacuum line and a lot more line to possibly get damaged and pretty sure you don't want that if you are using a referenced fuel regulator. In for more info...
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1310789)
Because as your boost builds you need to build fuel pressure too otherwise you'll run out of fuel for no good reason.
You would tune for a static, lets say 50 PSI of fuel pressure. How would that be bad? Only thing I could imagine is that the manifold pressure is now at 20psi making the fuel pressure effectively 30psi..........maybe your on to something. So base 60? IDK |
Originally Posted by IcantDo55
(Post 1310786)
Yes return style, but regulator in back of car. Foolish, ok. But school me, why?
In the front, the regulator acts as a damper, and you loose that affect in the back. This is a big thing. The regulator will be less effective in the back, since it can't correct for the pressure drop after the regulator in the hose between the injectors and the regulator. You just made that hose 10' long instead of 3' long. So you'll get less pressure to the injectors the more you flow. You need the vacuum reference. It will improve idle, and improve fuel delivery in boost. It keeps the pressure delta between the injectors and the intake manifold constant. Improves flow A LOT when you go in boost vs no regulator. There's no downsides to putting it up front, so do that. |
Originally Posted by IcantDo55
(Post 1310799)
Lets say your pump is big enough and the base pressure is high enough that is does not dip even with the injectors pulse with 100% what would it matter?
You would tune for a static, lets say 50 PSI of fuel pressure. How would that be bad? Only thing I could imagine is that the manifold pressure is now at 20psi making the fuel pressure effectively 30psi..........maybe your on to something. So base 60? IDK
Originally Posted by patsmx5
(Post 1310802)
Foolish for a few reasons
In the front, the regulator acts as a damper, and you loose that affect in the back. This is a big thing. The regulator will be less effective in the back, since it can't correct for the pressure drop after the regulator in the hose between the injectors and the regulator. You just made that hose 10' long instead of 3' long. So you'll get less pressure to the injectors the more you flow. You need the vacuum reference. It will improve idle, and improve fuel delivery in boost. It keeps the pressure delta between the injectors and the intake manifold constant. Improves flow A LOT when you go in boost vs no regulator. There's no downsides to putting it up front, so do that. |
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