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JasonC SBB Dec 4, 2009 06:43 PM

Supertech "hi flow" vs "standard flow" intake valves
 
Valves for the Mazda Miata from HorsepowerFreaks

Towards the bottom, note there is a "std flo" and "hi flo" intake valve for the 1.8.

Anyone know the difference?

cueball1 Dec 4, 2009 07:16 PM

At face value it looks pretty obvious. The diameter is larger on the hi-flow. I'm curious if it might have to do with extra length too.

JasonC SBB Dec 4, 2009 07:37 PM

I did the right thing and called 'em.

Nope, it's not the diameter.

The hi-flow valves have an back-cut face and undercut stem. This is what WE want. The std-flow don't have those, and are used for racing classes which don't allow "modified" valves.

The shorter length stems are an option on the +1 valves, because they tend to sink in the seat; these will typically require shorter stems so that the shims required are close to standard.

BTW they make shim under bucket lifters too. List price $22 each.

cueball1 Dec 4, 2009 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 491072)
I did the right thing and called 'em.
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Novel concept around here! Great information to have.

Ben Dec 4, 2009 07:51 PM

High flow valves are back cut. The standard flow valves are stock replacement. You obviously want high flow. They come in a lot of different lengths, I don't know which are correct.

Hot_Wheels Dec 4, 2009 10:06 PM

do you have any picture to explain the difference? i just bought a set of manley +1 valves and i wonder if those are back cut as well?

JasonC SBB Dec 4, 2009 10:15 PM

Back cut
http://home.comcast.net/~v.navarrett...es/Backcut.jpg

Undercut stem:
http://www.fourseasontuning.com/parts/109.099.jpg

neogenesis2004 Dec 4, 2009 10:34 PM

22/ea shim under lifters is a ripoff (probably rebranded MMS). You can get those from miataroadster for $200 for a complete set of 16. Then buy 6mm lash caps for a domestic for dirt cheap (<$20) and grind them.

hustler Dec 4, 2009 10:45 PM

I prefer the fatter, lower flowing valve because I've seen so many under-cut valves fail that I'm afraid and alone, in the cold.

JasonC SBB Dec 4, 2009 11:04 PM

Undercut stems are usually not recommended on exhaust valves.

Are the failures you've seen on exhaust valves?

y8s Dec 4, 2009 11:17 PM

it bothers me how long i've had both undercut valves and shim-under buckets sitting in my basement.

hustler Dec 4, 2009 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 491147)
Undercut stems are usually not recommended on exhaust valves.

Are the failures you've seen on exhaust valves?

I only have generalizations, not hard facts. NEVER let facts get in the way of a good rant!!!

webby459 Dec 4, 2009 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 491151)
I only have generalizations, not hard facts. NEVER let facts get in the way of a good rant!!!

These valves will decrease spool by 1000 rpm.

miata2fast Dec 5, 2009 01:32 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 491147)
Undercut stems are usually not recommended on exhaust valves.

Are the failures you've seen on exhaust valves?


Most serious engines will have undercut exhaust valves. They are very fragile, and usually get bent from careless handling of the cylinder head with cams still installed. I learned that the hard way. I have also gotten brand new valves that were slightly bent from improper shipping.


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