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hornetball 03-18-2019 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1527091)
Having said that, I doubt strongly that their valves are your only issue. It is possible to do this to any valve (even OEM) if your incompetent machine shop tried to get cutesy with the seat widths (see below re: your machine shop...)

+1. The couple of times this happened to me, it was the machining.

ryansmoneypit 03-18-2019 06:00 PM

My local shop has been doing a lot of K20-24 stuff lately. he said they are up to 200-250lb valve springs to keep those things together. food for thought cause in a miata, 90 lbs sounds big. not so much.

v01canic 03-19-2019 02:24 AM

I don’t think spring pressure is the issue (running the Supertech double hive springs from 949) and my RPM is set to 7k.

Taking my head to a different shop tomorrow, will keep you posted

rrjwilson 03-19-2019 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1527059)
I just typed in "Manley valves miata" in Google and this came up

Manley Performance - Sport Compact


https://5xracing.com/i-23993341-manl...-8l-miata.html

:confused:

Your confused i went to their site and literally scrolled through their catalogue and it has no mention. Its all about the Chevy basically.

Thank you though.

ryansmoneypit 03-19-2019 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by rrjwilson (Post 1527133)
Your confused i went to their site and literally scrolled through their catalogue and it has no mention. Its all about the Chevy basically.

Thank you though.

I think you are confused, or just missed it. It's in the sport compact catalog on the main page. His link takes you right to it.

psyber_0ptix 03-19-2019 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by rrjwilson (Post 1527133)
Your confused i went to their site and literally scrolled through their catalogue and it has no mention. Its all about the Chevy basically.

Thank you though.

I couldn't find Chevy; maybe I'm missing something:

http://manleyperformance.com/sc/Manley_SportCompact.pdf

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:




Just kidding around. The main page isn't really that intuitive because the links up top look the same, but point differently depending on whether you're using the sport compact part of the site.

DNMakinson 03-19-2019 09:50 AM

Lots of talk about intake valves. Are there recommendations for exhaust as well?

ryansmoneypit 03-19-2019 12:13 PM

inconel you cheap turds. Or have those failed?

vitamin j 03-19-2019 12:32 PM

I got a full set of Manley SS +1 intake and exhaust. Good price at Sport Compact Warehouse. Haven't really run it yet though I'll get back to you in a year!

Savington 03-19-2019 01:45 PM

I have never had an issue with any exhaust valves.

ryansmoneypit 03-19-2019 01:52 PM

interesting.

Savington 03-19-2019 02:48 PM

Likely a combination of a few factors there. Exhaust seat widths are cut wider, the cam profile is not nearly as aggressive in the Miata, and (in turbo applications) you don't have the net-negative force of the air actively pushing the valve/lifter away from the camshaft. Thus, even with the same valve, they fail on the intake side and not the exhaust side.

ryansmoneypit 03-19-2019 05:32 PM

ill be interested to monitor my engines health. OEM intake valves, OE seat width, double heavies, boost.

v01canic 04-05-2019 12:38 PM

so to update anyone who's following this. I sent my valves, springs, retainers, keepers etc off to Supertech. Below are their findings.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ebefbe5fd6.png
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dbcfd99990.png

Savington 04-05-2019 01:49 PM

If they wouldn't make the fucking things too long in the first place, there would be no need to cut them down, which would negate any potential interference issues.

codrus 04-05-2019 03:40 PM

So basically the keeper groove is too far up the stem of the valve?

--Ian

TNTUBA 04-05-2019 05:06 PM

Standard Supertech answer. "The issue is clearly the fault of everyone but us even though all our parts break all the time."

I wouldn't put their parts on my lawnmower.

jmann 12-09-2019 10:37 PM

FYI I just did a comp. test and all were 200 across the board. The leak down was 1 1/2 to 2% . This is the 3rd season on this engine with the supertech inconel intake +1mm valves from Flyin Miata. I am now a believer as I used to cup the seat faces and loose lash in less then a season with the SS intakes no matter what brand. They ain't cheap, but neither is rebuilding a head a couple time a year, not to mention the time and machining.


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