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cordycord 08-03-2013 12:03 AM

Virgin Head...Friday night engine porn NSFW :)
 
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I came home tonight to find this box on my doorstep. It contains what is supposed to be one of the two final 1999-2000 virgin heads that came from the Mazda Japan warehouse. After this, no new production, no NOS unless you can find it collecting dust on a dealer's shelf.

Who's got the other last head? This guy. :)

18psi 08-03-2013 12:05 AM

That's beautiful.

Now hack it up :giggle:

TorqueZombie 08-03-2013 01:29 AM

Needs to get dirty, or put in glass on the wall

thirdgen 08-03-2013 01:33 AM


cordycord 08-03-2013 01:33 AM

Since they're the last heads from Japan, I feel it's my duty to get as much friggin' horsepower out of them as possible, while still being street-able of course. We're nearing the end of any type of "new" development of the Miata mill, so it's incumbent on me to use the knowledge of those who have come before to tune the shit outta these heads.

There's a road map planned to take me to 180whp NA, and beyond. :)

thirdgen 08-03-2013 01:33 AM

Guess why?

thirdgen 08-03-2013 01:34 AM

Cause I have 3 of these in my garage...that's why.

cordycord 08-03-2013 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 1039726)
Cause I have 3 of these in my garage...that's why.

That would make you a "whore-der." :)

thirdgen 08-03-2013 01:40 AM

They say whore-ders have mental issues...I say that might be true.

Savington 08-03-2013 12:12 PM

That's an MSM head, not a 99-00 head. Just FYI.

Why aren't you using a VVT head?

shuiend 08-03-2013 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1039805)
That's an MSM head, not a 99-00 head. Just FYI.

Why aren't you using a VVT head?

Because it is


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1039705)
one of the two final 1999-2000 virgin heads that came from the Mazda Japan warehouse.

DUH! MADTIGHTJDM4LIFE!!! :loser:

cordycord 08-03-2013 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1039805)
That's an MSM head, not a 99-00 head. Just FYI.

Why aren't you using a VVT head?

Did not know it was MSM, thanks.

As for no VVT, mainly to keep it simple. This is an old skool engine and I'm treating it that way.

k24madness 08-05-2013 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1039805)
That's an MSM head, not a 99-00 head. Just FYI.

How do you tell em apart?

Oscar 08-05-2013 09:02 AM

It will cost you a 150% more for only 10% performance increase.

Savington 08-05-2013 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by k24madness (Post 1040110)
How do you tell em apart?

Coolant ports

cordycord 08-05-2013 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 1040118)
It will cost you a 150% more for only 10% performance increase.

Have you not seen my other projects?! No one has ever accused me of my Spock-like logic.

18psi 08-05-2013 02:49 PM

nothing wrong with you preferring to molest virgin heads


they're so much tighter :party:

Oscar 08-05-2013 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1040312)

Have you not seen my other projects?! No one has ever accused me of my Spock-like logic.

Well played

cordycord 08-05-2013 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1040315)
nothing wrong with you preferring to molest virgin heads


they're so much tighter :party:

Now THIS is what I expect when I put "virgin" in the description. :rofl:

slmhofy 08-06-2013 12:43 AM

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I got one of these a few months ago too. I thought they were unavailable, but have a good connection in the dealership circle.

I think it was around $1000 bare though.

cordycord 08-07-2013 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by slmhofy (Post 1040472)
I got one of these a few months ago too. I thought they were unavailable, but have a good connection in the dealership circle.

I think it was around $1000 bare though.

That's a bit more than I paid, but they're not cheap given the price for a used complete engine. However, I've got a build plan for an engine--nothing fancy--but I want the engine to seem like the equivalent of a completely new engine.

By "nothing fancy" I still mean 180-200whp on pump gas, NA.

z31maniac 08-07-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1040942)
By "nothing fancy" I still mean 180-200whp on pump gas, NA.

*impatiently waits for build thread*

Midtenn 08-07-2013 01:24 PM

After reading Quinn's build over on cr.net, its had me thinking about building the BP4W head I have sitting on the shelf and skipping VVT, but I'd hate to give up the low/mid range torque.

cordycord 08-07-2013 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1041028)
*impatiently waits for build thread*

I like Emilio's method of building, confirming and then telling. My bench-racing skills are legendary for their inflation factor. :)

cordycord 08-07-2013 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Midtenn (Post 1041182)
After reading Quinn's build over on cr.net, its had me thinking about building the BP4W head I have sitting on the shelf and skipping VVT, but I'd hate to give up the low/mid range torque.

I've heard that as an excuse for not installing a larger turbo (don't want the lag of a bigger unit) except that on the track or during spirited driving yours rpm's will already have negated that point. BTW, I'm not advocating a position but just making an observation.

z31maniac 08-07-2013 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1041312)
I like Emilio's method of building, confirming and then telling. My bench-racing skills are legendary for their inflation factor. :)

*impatiently awaits telling thread*

Midtenn 08-07-2013 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1041314)

I've heard that as an excuse for not installing a larger turbo (don't want the lag of a bigger unit) except that on the track or during spirited driving yours rpm's will already have negated that point. BTW, I'm not advocating a position but just making an observation.

Well I am thinking if getting rid of my turbo setup and to simplify the car into a more reliable track car (before I spend money breaking things).

Savington 08-10-2013 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1041314)
on the track or during spirited driving yours rpm's will already have negated that point. BTW, I'm not advocating a position but just making an observation.

Ah, no. The idea that VVT engines only make additional torque below the lowest RPM seen on track is quite fallacious. Especially with a 5-speed, ~4500rpm is not an unreasonable minimum RPM to expect on a road course.

cordycord 08-10-2013 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1042250)

Ah, no. The idea that VVT engines only make additional torque below the lowest RPM seen on track is quite fallacious. Especially with a 5-speed, ~4500rpm is not an unreasonable minimum RPM to expect on a road course.

My point is that larger turbos have a reputation for producing more lag than smaller turbos, which is true. However, in a track environment your rpm's are usually high enough all the time to keep the turbo spooled up. At a stop sign from idle, different story.


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