VVT head + 94 block + real OPG + turbo oil line
1) Will the oil source line for the VVT oil control valve bolt to the the 94 block no problem.
2) My turbo oil source will be on the exhaust side of the block (it's a 94 block after all). I'm thinking of mounting the real Oil Pressure Gauge sender onto the turbo oil line at the turbo end. What fittings will I need? 3) Are there still 8.8:1 factory pistons available from Mazda? |
How about if I want to install a turbo oil feed and a real OPG to a VVT motor?
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not sure if the boss for the hardline is there on the earlier cars.
94 stock pistons are 8.8 and slightly dished. later cars are higher. I ran the oil feed/gauge from the original sender location. lots of stuff hanging off there, but so what. |
Isn't the boss on the block for the VVT oil hardline the same boss as the oil pressure switch on the earlier cars?
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i never looked. svc manual shows it in a boss that appears to be right under the pressure sender... right behind the oil filter. huh.
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 457191)
not sure if the boss for the hardline is there on the earlier cars.
94 stock pistons are 8.8 and slightly dished. later cars are higher. I ran the oil feed/gauge from the original sender location. lots of stuff hanging off there, but so what. |
emilio, you're talking about the oil port for the turbo. On the 94-97, there's a capped off port under the exhaust mani.
I'm asking about 1) how to add a real OPG sender AND a turbo oil source tee, to a VVT block 2) same thing, for a non VVT block. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 457812)
emilio, you're talking about the oil port for the turbo. On the 94-97, there's a capped off port under the exhaust mani.
I'm asking about 1) how to add a real OPG sender AND a turbo oil source tee, to a VVT block 2) same thing, for a non VVT block.
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 457378)
First thing we do is fit a distribution block on the firewall. At the very least, make sure the thingy on the block is steel, not brass.
Ill probably be doing this on my new motor with: Oil feed Real oil pressure sender Aftermarket oil pressure sender Oil temp sender The only thing i am a bit worried about would be pressure if i pulled it from both sides of my early 1.8 block. I plan to pull it all from the pressure sender side but have been toying with the idea of pulling just the oil feed from the exhaust side. Thoughts anyone? |
Originally Posted by thesnowboarder
(Post 458300)
The only thing i am a bit worried about would be pressure if i pulled it from both sides of my early 1.8 block. I (...) have been toying with the idea of pulling just the oil feed from the exhaust side. Thoughts anyone?
Your concern, if I read correctly, relates to taking oil for the turbo from the fitting near the flywheel on the hot side of the block, and measuring pressure & temperature at the stock sensor location on the cold side. This is (almost) exactly how it was designed to operate originally in the 323GTX, and how most of us with early blocks are running. Or an I being obtuse? The only thing that would concern me is temp sensing on the coldside. Reason is that you need a continuous flow of oil across the temp sensor, and you're not going to get that if you're measuring at the end of a dead line. Perhaps a sandwich plate between the oil filter and cooler would be best for this? You could also place your aftermarket sensor here, though of course it will read slightly high as this location places it before the filter. |
Basically yes, maybe it will be smarter to pull from from the "cold side" to a distribution block and out to the feed. That way everything is in-line and getting the same readings.
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Oil temp reading should be taken from the sump.
I did the easy way out, I glued a sender bulb to the rear of the pan. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 458422)
Oil temp reading should be taken from the sump.
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After 20 inches of turbo supply line the oil will have cooled down a lot.
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 458422)
Oil temp reading should be taken from the sump.
Part of me wants to say take it before, as this is as close as you can get to measuring whatever the highest temp the oil achieved was, and thus how close it is to the breakdown point. Another part of me wants to measure it after, for reasons that I can't quite quantify. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 458912)
After 20 inches of turbo supply line the oil will have cooled down a lot.
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The oil flow through the turbo is so slow I think 6-10 inches will cool it, especially since the hose has so much surface area in relation to the mass of the oil.
Joe: sump oil temp is pretty standard, and is what people compare with. |
My 83 280ZX Turbo motor had an oil temp sender from the sump factory.
Also, people sell (or you could easily make) and sump sender adapter by using the oil pan drain bolt. |
Does anyone have a decent diagram for oil flow through the motor? I pull oil temps off the pressure port under the IM and they are always super low - I haven't done any further testing to determine whether this is my stupidly-large oil cooler, or whether I'm just measuring oil that's come straight out of the cooler.
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