Why is my spool slow?
Hello everyone,
This is my first experience with turbo on a miata.:noob: I've fitted the Begi S3 kit on my standard 1,6 '91 115hp engine. In my opinion the engine spools rather slowly, or at least I want it to spool faster : ) I reach the max of 11 to 14psi (depends on the outside temp) at 4300rpm... I would like to have full spool on at least 3500rpm if possible??? I've read some spool data and noticed that most of the cars do better than my setup at the moment. This is my setup: - Garrett GT2560 Turbo with Ball Bearings and Water Cooling, ceramic coated - Stainless Steel Separated Gases Downpipe 2,5" - IC # 2 rated to 300 whp - ceramic coated standard manifold - ms2pnp with EBC (no variable tps) - OBX catback system with cat replacement (open) I think 2"or2,25" not sure - the original begi recirculate valve (looks crappy) If needed I will post my current MS2pnp mapping or anything else to help me solve the issue. what could solve my problem? bigger exhaust, better mapping, smaller turbo,or anything else... thanks everybody |
you have a 1.6L with a shitty exhaust.
fix these issues. |
3" exhaust should make a big difference. And variable tps with better tuning probably wouldnt hurt.
1.8 swap would make the biggest improvement. |
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1065290)
you have a 1.6L with a shitty exhaust.
fix these issues. I added my msq file, maybe someone could analyse it? I prefer a save tune above a "max power with risks" tune. Yes, I'm a woosy Thanks for the fast reply |
Use EBC, as it will aid spool by quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1065291)
3" exhaust should make a big difference. And variable tps with better tuning probably wouldnt hurt.
1.8 swap would make the biggest improvement. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1065298)
Use EBC, as it will aid spool by quite a bit.
I do use EBC, but for the moment it's not programmed in closed loop because I am not able to do it myself (lack of knowledge:vash:) I've read some posts about it but still it's not very clear to me. I have to learn a lot about programming my MS2!! |
You prefer a safe tune, but a safe tune will mean slower spool than an aggressive tune. More timing = more complete burn = more exhaust gasses = more spool.
I wouldn't assume the tune is your problem until you can test with a good exhaust (3" straight through). |
FIRST check for obvious problems:
- wastegate flapper valve is sitting slightly cracked open - leaks in intake plumbing. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1065313)
FIRST check for obvious problems:
- is 1.6 engine present in engine bay - tiny exhaust |
:laugh:
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1065305)
You prefer a safe tune, but a safe tune will mean slower spool than an aggressive tune. More timing = more complete burn = more exhaust gasses = more spool.
I wouldn't assume the tune is your problem until you can test with a good exhaust (3" straight through). What about just drive with the downpipe and delete the rst of the exhaust for spool test? |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1065290)
you have a 1.6L with a shitty exhaust.
fix these issues. |
Originally Posted by miatadaxdriver
(Post 1065323)
What about just drive with the downpipe and delete the rst of the exhaust for spool test?
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As a fellow 1.6 owner, I hate to say it, but if you want an improvement get a 1.8 w/ 3" exhaust. Or at least upgrade to 3" exhaust on the 1.6 and live with decent but not outstanding spool.
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@FRT_Fun I agree, unfortunately you're right but I have to do with 1,6 for now...
@thenuge26 My idea was to remove the complete exhaust and test with only the downpipe fitted. Would this give the same results in spool as a 3" exhaust or am I completely wrong? @JasonC SBB no leaks wastegate flapper complete closed Can somebody check my mapping please??? which 3" exhaust brand would you guys prefer? Available in Europe if possible... Do I need a 3" downpipe too? thanks |
Originally Posted by miatadaxdriver
(Post 1065669)
@FRT_Fun I agree, unfortunately you're right but I have to do with 1,6 for now...
@thenuge26 My idea was to remove the complete exhaust and test with only the downpipe fitted. Would this give the same results in spool as a 3" exhaust or am I completely wrong? @JasonC SBB no leaks wastegate flapper complete closed Can somebody check my mapping please??? which 3" exhaust brand would you guys prefer? Available in Europe if possible... Do I need a 3" downpipe too? thanks |
Fireindc I think you are thinking of the other noob with spool problems, this guy has the Begi 2.5" sg dp, not that abortion from the other thread.
Going from a 2.5" dp to a 3" will still help though. |
Sounds like you are in Europe, so shipping on an exhaust system would be quite expensive. I own and recommend Enthuza, but in this case I would either find a vendor in Europe or have an exhaust shop build one from scratch.
2.5" exhaust with a straight through muffler would be the setup I would go with. Not sure that 3" is really needed with a 1.6, but it wouldn't hurt either except for being more likely to drone. |
3" vs 2.5" is still worth a significant improvement in spool at any power level.
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