I can buildz new motor?
09-20-2009, 08:24 PM
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I can buildz new motor?
Got in the majority of my parts finally and began the short block rebuild.
I'm using a motor that Brain has most graciously lent me to rebuild and we will be rebuilding the one in my car for him once this one is swapped in. This motor was built for the purpose of making a **** ton of power, but on a budget. It has the following parts:
- New OEM 323 GTX Turbo (B6T) pistons from Corksport 240
- Boundary Engineering billet OP gears 190
- Ebay gasket kit 35
- King bearings 35
- Ebay WP/Tblet kit 60
- Mtuned rods with ARP2k bolts 300
- Sealed Power premium rings 70
All said and done, add in some for crap from autozone, I spent about $1k. Now I have the ability and experience to put this thing together myself. So there is no guarantee you can repeat my build for the same cost. I did this rebuild on a seasoned, high mileage block because I knew it would likely be loose enough to not need any machine work.
The B6T pistons have a CR of 7.8:1 which will give me the ability to run over 20psi on pump gas. I chose the Sealed Power premium rings based on researching better aftermarket rings and availability. The stock rings are cast and have trouble handling increased power and heat. The top ring in this premium set is chrome coated steel. So it will be able to handle everything I throw at it.
I honed the bores with a flex hone that I have used now on multiple import builds. Low speed with constant up and down motion is the ticket every time. I honed it a little extra because I wanted a little extra clearance for this build. Luckily this made it so I didn't even need to gap the rings. They clearanced perfectly. So I just shaved the corners and put them on the pistons. The rods were perfectly clearanced to the stock wrist pins so no machining was needed there. The std sized bearings I used gave me roughly 0.0015" clearance on the main and rods. Exactly where I wanted them for a street/track motor. The deck was resurfaced by gently scraping off the old HG with a razor. Typically I would follow that up with a 3m scotch pad on a angle grinder at low speed. I was able to remove all the gasket this time though, so that was not needed. The decked ended up flat, yay! So I was able to get by without needing a single ounce of machine work.
I'm still debating taking apart one of my heads and porting, but I'm feeling exceptionally lazy, and will probably put it off until the spring time. I have to swap this motor, rebuild brain's, and then swap his. All before the Nov 17th dyno day. Needless to say, porting is on the bottom of my list.
Turbo-wise I currently have my T3 60trim which I have been running at 13psi. It has a bunch of room left, up to 20-22psi until it runs out of steam. So I am going to see what it gets me since I'm hitting full boost around 3400rpm with it in 3rd. I also have a larger compressor wheel from a 86 Buick GN Turbo that has similar dimensions to a 48trim GT2871R. I might swap that on later if I'm not satisfied with what I get from maxing the T3 60trim.
I didn't take a ton of pics of the motor. I always work too fast and don't remember to stop for pics. Enjoy the 5 I did take.
Brian
I'm using a motor that Brain has most graciously lent me to rebuild and we will be rebuilding the one in my car for him once this one is swapped in. This motor was built for the purpose of making a **** ton of power, but on a budget. It has the following parts:
- New OEM 323 GTX Turbo (B6T) pistons from Corksport 240
- Boundary Engineering billet OP gears 190
- Ebay gasket kit 35
- King bearings 35
- Ebay WP/Tblet kit 60
- Mtuned rods with ARP2k bolts 300
- Sealed Power premium rings 70
All said and done, add in some for crap from autozone, I spent about $1k. Now I have the ability and experience to put this thing together myself. So there is no guarantee you can repeat my build for the same cost. I did this rebuild on a seasoned, high mileage block because I knew it would likely be loose enough to not need any machine work.
The B6T pistons have a CR of 7.8:1 which will give me the ability to run over 20psi on pump gas. I chose the Sealed Power premium rings based on researching better aftermarket rings and availability. The stock rings are cast and have trouble handling increased power and heat. The top ring in this premium set is chrome coated steel. So it will be able to handle everything I throw at it.
I honed the bores with a flex hone that I have used now on multiple import builds. Low speed with constant up and down motion is the ticket every time. I honed it a little extra because I wanted a little extra clearance for this build. Luckily this made it so I didn't even need to gap the rings. They clearanced perfectly. So I just shaved the corners and put them on the pistons. The rods were perfectly clearanced to the stock wrist pins so no machining was needed there. The std sized bearings I used gave me roughly 0.0015" clearance on the main and rods. Exactly where I wanted them for a street/track motor. The deck was resurfaced by gently scraping off the old HG with a razor. Typically I would follow that up with a 3m scotch pad on a angle grinder at low speed. I was able to remove all the gasket this time though, so that was not needed. The decked ended up flat, yay! So I was able to get by without needing a single ounce of machine work.
I'm still debating taking apart one of my heads and porting, but I'm feeling exceptionally lazy, and will probably put it off until the spring time. I have to swap this motor, rebuild brain's, and then swap his. All before the Nov 17th dyno day. Needless to say, porting is on the bottom of my list.
Turbo-wise I currently have my T3 60trim which I have been running at 13psi. It has a bunch of room left, up to 20-22psi until it runs out of steam. So I am going to see what it gets me since I'm hitting full boost around 3400rpm with it in 3rd. I also have a larger compressor wheel from a 86 Buick GN Turbo that has similar dimensions to a 48trim GT2871R. I might swap that on later if I'm not satisfied with what I get from maxing the T3 60trim.
I didn't take a ton of pics of the motor. I always work too fast and don't remember to stop for pics. Enjoy the 5 I did take.
Brian
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09-20-2009, 09:11 PM
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Looking good man, I envy your skills.
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09-20-2009, 09:49 PM
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Many would say, "Why not put in forged pistons while you have it apart". It is my strong opinion that the stock pistons are not a weak point of our motors. As long as you dont have a shitty tune and aren't detonating I see no reason why they can not hold well over 300whp. Additionally it allowed me to not have to spend a dime on machining costs. That is easily a savings of over $300+ alone. Added to the savings of the forged piston cost themselves, and you are looking at a hefty chunk of savings for a motor that can handle a **** load of power. For $1k its hard to beat what this motor has in it and what it will produce.
If I do end up cracking a ring land, its not like I don't have the ability to rebuild again in short order.
If I do end up cracking a ring land, its not like I don't have the ability to rebuild again in short order.
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09-21-2009, 04:15 AM
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the pistons look awsome but i wouldnt have gone to crazy with that assembly lube on the bearings, theres a chance that all that thick lube might clog up the bearing oil passages thus starving your bearings. It happens and thats the reason why most builders use just plain regular oil for just the bearings.
goodluck with the build though and i really wish i would have thought about going with the gtx turbo pistons when i was doing my build
goodluck with the build though and i really wish i would have thought about going with the gtx turbo pistons when i was doing my build
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09-21-2009, 09:15 AM
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Many would say, "Why not put in forged pistons while you have it apart". It is my strong opinion that the stock pistons are not a weak point of our motors. As long as you dont have a shitty tune and aren't detonating I see no reason why they can not hold well over 300whp. Additionally it allowed me to not have to spend a dime on machining costs. That is easily a savings of over $300+ alone. Added to the savings of the forged piston cost themselves, and you are looking at a hefty chunk of savings for a motor that can handle a **** load of power. For $1k its hard to beat what this motor has in it and what it will produce.
In any case, looks like you have a really nice build going on. Good luck with it!
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09-21-2009, 04:00 PM
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Brian, did you get married?
I mean, the only reason I can think of why you're not assembling in your kitchen again is because your new wife won't let you.
I'm going to get rockin on my motor build soon. Going 10:1 .040" over with an 01 block and a worked 99 head. Going to go a little bigger on turbo and shoot for low/mid 300s.
I mean, the only reason I can think of why you're not assembling in your kitchen again is because your new wife won't let you.
I'm going to get rockin on my motor build soon. Going 10:1 .040" over with an 01 block and a worked 99 head. Going to go a little bigger on turbo and shoot for low/mid 300s.
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09-21-2009, 05:04 PM
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Brian, did you get married?
I mean, the only reason I can think of why you're not assembling in your kitchen again is because your new wife won't let you.
I'm going to get rockin on my motor build soon. Going 10:1 .040" over with an 01 block and a worked 99 head. Going to go a little bigger on turbo and shoot for low/mid 300s.
I mean, the only reason I can think of why you're not assembling in your kitchen again is because your new wife won't let you.
I'm going to get rockin on my motor build soon. Going 10:1 .040" over with an 01 block and a worked 99 head. Going to go a little bigger on turbo and shoot for low/mid 300s.
So I'm back living at home for the time being (helping my mom pay the bills, she is having a tough time after not having her teaching contract renewed). I've been out of VT now for 2 years in Dec. Got a job right out of school on contract with verizon doing IT work. Did that for 1.5 yrs until i got tired of management. Now I'm working for a defense contractor as a lan admin. I am still taking classes online full time to get my bachelors in network engineering. Degrees in the IT field are basically a joke. Its all about experience, and while I might be 23 today (shameless bday plug), I have been doing IT work professionally since I was 15. So I have 8 years of experience. Hence, my early success.
So I can fund all my miata **** again.... I wanna get all this **** together so I can finally get on the track next year, wreck, and kill myself. Well....maybe not the last 2 parts. All thats left is a HT, a tubular front sway, and better wheels/tires. I have the rest already installed on the car from a competitive setup standpoint. Now its just needing to get mucho seat time.
End life story.
Nice to see you back and active as well Ben.
I'm an OG in that crew. Respect!
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