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triple88a 01-24-2018 01:53 PM

coinbase will send a tax form, no?

Joe Perez 01-24-2018 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463420)
So wait, does polarity between the 2 hot pins matter or is it just the ground pin thats the only important one?

Adding to what whitrzac said...

Here in the US, 240v is actually the standard, except that we use center-tapped pole transformers to make it seem like 120v, where the center tap of the transformer is neutral, which is also grounded. Technically, it's a split-phase system.

Here's a diagram:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9679270b5b.png

For a 120v outlet, you connect between neutral and either V1 or V2. So polarity matters, since one pin is at 0v (neutral) and the other is at 120v. For each 120v circuit, you're only seeing half of the transformer's secondary winding, and the job of the electrician who installs the distribution panel is to make sure that the 120v loads are more-or-less balanced across the two halves.

For a 240v outlet, one pin is V1 and the other is V2, and you don't have a neutral connection. So you could make an argument that polarity matters if you care about phasing, but for >99% of applications, it doesn't matter. What's important is that both pins are "hot" as compared to ground.





Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463427)
What surge protector are you using? Amazon is being unhelpful since i'm in the US.

Serious answer: surge protectors are mostly BS when it comes to domestic computer applications. A lightning strike delivers so much more energy than an MOV is capable of shunting that there's virtually zero chance of a $10 power strip saving your computer from a pole hit, which is fortunately a rare event.

z31maniac 01-24-2018 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1463436)
Serious answer: surge protectors are mostly BS when it comes to domestic computer applications. A lightning strike delivers so much more energy than an MOV is capable of shunting that there's virtually zero chance of a $10 power strip saving your computer from a pole hit, which is fortunately a rare event.

Are there any good options? Thoughts on the "whole house" surge protectors that install underneath the meter on the outside?

whitrzac 01-24-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1463440)
Are there any good options? Thoughts on the "whole house" surge protectors that install underneath the meter on the outside?

A good renters insurance policy and lots of pictures/recipts.

I've seen sparks come out of $200 APC battery backups while killing everything plugged into it.

whitrzac 01-24-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463434)
coinbase will send a tax form, no?

Possibly, IIRC the IRS got access to ~20k accounts, but the bank will for sure...

triple88a 01-24-2018 02:54 PM

My plan was to take a 120 volt power strip, ensure the insides are all separated and swap the end that goes into the 240 wall socket. 6-15 power cables are freaking pricy, thats why i was hoping I can stay with the standard 5-15 power cable plugs.

whitrzac 01-24-2018 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463452)
My plan was to take a 120 volt power strip, ensure the insides are all separated and swap the end that goes into the 240 wall socket. 6-15 power cables are freaking pricy, thats why i was hoping I can stay with the standard 5-15 power cable plugs.

Thats what I do.


Protip: paint it orange, red, or some other menacing color....

triple88a 01-24-2018 03:19 PM

Whats the pinout on the power supply side? center plug remains ground right?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a12ad31798.jpg

Joe Perez 01-24-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1463440)
Are there any good options? Thoughts on the "whole house" surge protectors that install underneath the meter on the outside?

We sometimes use those out at remote transmitter sites, but the ones we buy cost a lot more than your mining rig and still blow up when the pole takes a direct hit.

Honestly, there's not much you can actually do about lightning, short of running a galvanically isolated, full-conversion UPS on the whole building. That's what I have here at WGN. For reference, the UPS is on the 3rd floor, and the battery is on the 1st floor, mostly because the weight of the battery exceeds the structural capacity of the upper floors of the building.




Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463452)
My plan was to take a 120 volt power strip, ensure the insides are all separated and swap the end that goes into the 240 wall socket. 6-15 power cables are freaking pricy, thats why i was hoping I can stay with the standard 5-15 power cable plugs.

This is an almost indescribably bad idea. Someone will eventually plug a 120v-only device into that strip, and then you will be sad.

If you're really dedicated to this idea, just buy a 6-15 plug at Home Depot and splice it onto an existing C13 cable. Use it to power the PC, and drive everything else off of 120v.

Seriously, these plugs are less than $10.

Example: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-...CCV4/100206376

Wiring instructions in next paragraph





Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1463456)
Whats the pinout on the power supply side? center plug remains ground right?

The pinout is that ground is ground (green or yellow / green wire), and the other two pins are both hot (usually brown & blue or white & black wires).

whitrzac 01-24-2018 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1463462)
This is an almost indescribably bad idea. Someone will eventually plug a 120v-only device into that strip, and then you will be sad.
.

Which is why I sugested painting it bright orange.

The location I have my rigs is for mining equipment only and only a friend and I have access.

Another friend uses one of these

y8s 01-25-2018 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1463428)
Yeah, now that I'm about to get some bonus money I've been looking back into building a sim rig.......................yeah no. I'm not paying $1400 for a 1080Ti that was $750 2 months ago. Hopefully Stripe (is it Stripe that just stopped accepting Bitcoins?) will help get these values back down.

So we can watch experiments like yours cost you 2x the electricity vs the value of a Coin.

So set up notifications for when they come in stock. NVIDIA's website had the Founders cards below the cost of most stores... today. You just have to be fast.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...e-gtx-1080-ti/

Today power cost is $3 a day vs. mined value of $30 a day.

I should note that I'm mining using only 100% renewable electricity. :hustler:

Girz0r 01-25-2018 03:32 PM

Quick glance at pcpartpicker on 1080Ti cards... :eek3: Holy crap have prices inflated

Joe Perez 01-25-2018 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 1463470)
Which is why I sugested painting it bright orange.

Have you ever done something stupid, and then thought "I shouldn't have done that. I knew better than to do that. Why did I do that?"

I have.

Basic rule of engineering: don't design a system so that you can accidentally plug Thing A into Thing B, if doing so will result in fire and destruction. Because someone will eventually do it.

Failure to heed this rule is what started the event which resulted in the core meltdown at Three Mile Island. When they built the plant, they used the same fittings for instrument air and utility water in the turbine hall, and an overly tired maintenance engineer accidentally connected a hose between the two systems. This flooded the instrument air line with water, which disabled all of the feedwater valves in the secondary loop. And this caused a lot of bad things to happen very quickly.

Erat 01-25-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1463701)
Quick glance at pcpartpicker on 1080Ti cards... :eek3: Holy crap have prices inflated

I guess microcenter is selling them at regular price if you bundle other PC parts.
But most people aren't building a full system and just upgrade a card.

fooger03 01-25-2018 05:12 PM

So glad I picked up my 1070 like a month before bitcoin started exploding.

I think it was $319.

z31maniac 01-26-2018 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1463698)
So set up notifications for when they come in stock. NVIDIA's website had the Founders cards below the cost of most stores... today. You just have to be fast.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...e-gtx-1080-ti/

Today power cost is $3 a day vs. mined value of $30 a day.

I should note that I'm mining using only 100% renewable electricity. :hustler:

Thanks for the tip, I did go ahead and sign up.

I guess I'll go ahead and just start collection the other stuff first (wheel, seat, monitors, etc) and then wait to build the computer last.

2slow 01-29-2018 04:01 PM

Same here, got 1070 for gaming a little while back and now that they are going for $600-800. Wondering if I should sell it.

This card and my speakers (Klipsch Reference 7 front and center) could pay for Xida Race setup....If only I drove a Miata as much as I sit in front of computer (all day long) or use my speakers (every other day).

whitrzac 01-30-2018 07:31 AM

Never sell good speakers, unless it's to buy better speakers....

A good set of speakers will last 30+ years.

y8s 01-31-2018 09:45 AM

Put your card on ebay. Then buy a cheaper one when they come up. I see various 1070s come up for sale about two or three times a day for under $500. Ti's less often for under $650.

I've got a 560Ti if anyone wants it. Can't mine.

You just have to be hair trigger when you get the notification or you'll miss it.

z31maniac 04-06-2018 01:46 PM

It seems as though GPUs are slowly starting to come back down.


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