1.6 turbo high flowing manifold polling
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Hi All,
I've been building my own 1.6 turbo in the UK but found a huge gap in the market for a good flowing manifold at ebay prices.. In the end I bought the below manifold from a chap on this forum and have been looking into having patterns made to re-produce them. What are your thoughts? am I wasting my time and should I just fit the thing to my own car or is there a market for them? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369854871 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369854871 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369854871 Thanks for your thoughts Paul |
wasting your time, use a 1.8?
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Originally Posted by FCCK2000
(Post 1016296)
Hi All,
I've been building my own 1.6 turbo in the UK but found a huge gap in the market for a good flowing manifold at ebay prices.. Probably a reason for that right? Quality, flow and eBay price don't really mix. |
Originally Posted by AlexL
(Post 1016321)
Probably a reason for that right? Quality, flow and eBay price don't really mix.
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Right. Well there are plenty of chinese options. If you're going to make it in the UK then we'll have to pay the premium to ship it over to us in the US no? There are quality options for $200, it might be hard to find the niche.
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still... |
Originally Posted by AlexL
(Post 1016325)
Right. Well there are plenty of chinese options. If you're going to make it in the UK then we'll have to pay the premium to ship it over to us in the US no? There are quality options for $200, it might be hard to find the niche.
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still... What price range would be interesting to you in the USA? |
That manifold is a super rare HKS 1.6 unit.
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Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 1016338)
That manifold is a super rare HKS 1.6 unit.
Paul |
The problem as I see it, in the US at least, is that only our 90-93 cars had the 1.6. Most of the people boosting a 1.6 are doing it because they can't afford to swap a 1.8 and boost it, so you have to be at the same price as an Ebay cast log, which I doubt you could do with decent quality. Looks like the Ebay logs are in the $130 range, if you can't sell them for $129 each or less then don't bother.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1016344)
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner.
OP, I can guarantee 100% that you have an old HKS manifold. I can't point you towards any dyno's, charts, etc..but I can tell you that it was later sold through Cork Sport for a while. No idea if it's a quality cast that will crack or if it's bomb proof like the begi/fm lot. The "collector" is hardly perfect and any large T2 frame turbo has a chance of smacking the hood. Good luck. I'll be here scrounging for pennies to help me finish my feeble 1.6 car in hopes of making 200hp and 130trq. |
Sorry, a local FB group all have 1.6s and every other day someone there is asking if the ebay kit is the way to go. Maybe you aren't all like that but that's 10 vs 1 :party:
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1016344)
The problem as I see it, in the US at least, is that only our 90-93 cars had the 1.6. Most of the people boosting a 1.6 are doing it because they can't afford to swap a 1.8 and boost it, so you have to be at the same price as an Ebay cast log, which I doubt you could do with decent quality. Looks like the Ebay logs are in the $130 range, if you can't sell them for $129 each or less then don't bother.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner. With the exchange rate difference between UK and USA I could never get close to $130 I would expect the best I could manage would be closer to $325 inc delivery, although I have yet to finalise costs. |
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It looks like the downpipe would be tough with that manifold. It could work better flipped as a lowmount? Equal length runners are nice but probably not a must have for most. As others have pointed out it would be tough to compete with that ebay log.
On the subject, I think the best turbo placement is mid mount like theBegi/FM cast pieces. afaik they are not available for 1.6 and in any case have sharpish merges. My take on this was to try and make a better flowing sidemount log. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369865427 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369865427 |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1016361)
Sorry, a local FB group all have 1.6s and every other day someone there is asking if the ebay kit is the way to go.
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1016361)
Maybe you aren't all like that but that's 10 vs 1 :party:
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Here's what you would be competing against as far as cast 1.6 ebay manifolds. There may be some untapped market of rich fucks with 1.6s that I don't know about, but nobody I know with a 1.6 would be interested in a $300 mani vs the $130 ebay one. Again, maybe it's different in the UK where you have more 1.6 cars. But the people that I know who have 1.6 cars bought them because they couldn't afford a 1.8, not because they prefered the 1.6. And those people aren't going to pay extra for quality and high flow.
Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 1016365)
Apparently you missed the slew of noobs asking about the begi S4 knockoff and the infamous TURBO NOT HIT BLOCK (exclusively 1.8). Point is, it's everywhere. Ever since the miata became cheaper it became more popular, and since the 90-93's are the cheapest they became the go-to car for the heathens and miscreants commonly known as reject honda owners. "Hey guys, I just bought this miata for 1200 bucks, I wanna turbo it for pennies, please help?! Be gentle on my virgin anus". Cheap car, cheap people, cheap parts.
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I actually perfer my 1.6L. I like the way it revs much better than the 1.8L. It just feels like it's more fun to drive. I will turbo my 1.6L and am not gonna put a ebay manifold on it either.
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Originally Posted by highrideTOY
(Post 1017760)
I actually perfer my 1.6L. I like the way it revs much better than the 1.8L. It just feels like it's more fun to drive. I will turbo my 1.6L and am not gonna put a ebay manifold on it either.
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1016361)
Sorry, a local FB group all have 1.6s and every other day someone there is asking if the ebay kit is the way to go. Maybe you aren't all like that but that's 10 vs 1 :party:
Is that like a support group of some kind? |
You are objectively wrong, your 1.6 does not rev better than the 1.8.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1017766)
Is that like a support group of some kind?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/246249845503978/ |
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