I heard this too from a smog guy. There's a stupid new "grading" system for smog techs.
It goes into a lot more things, such as the number of unfinished monitors in the OBD system you let through, and how many times you abort at test, etc etc. Just like MADD, when a bureaucracy appears which does good things, when its job is done, it doesn't quietly ride off into the sunset. It grows and turns into a monster that devours everything in its path. |
Originally Posted by redfred18t
(Post 751330)
That seems ridiculous. Do you have any support for that?
Its somewhere on either the BAR or CARB website. I don't really remember where. I know a claim like that without evidence is useless, but its somewhere out there. |
They honestly do, Some of the smaller shops would get pwned for passing like 95% of cars, cause in reality with the way carb and everything is setup, only like 75% would pass due to visual inspection... I have also heard from a couple smog guys, evey year they have to give their information on passes and fails and if the passes are over a certain percent they will be investigated and possibly shutdown...
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 751332)
I heard this too from a smog guy. There's a stupid new "grading" system for smog techs.
It goes into a lot more things, such as the number of unfinished monitors in the OBD system you let through, and how many times you abort at test, etc etc.. |
This is my thought process regarding smog in CA, any of you had experience trying to do it this way?
I have only had to smog one car, when I first bought my Miata, its coming to that time again to smog it. I didn't pay attention to how well they looked at the vin plate on the dash, and the vin stamped on the firewall. I was curious to see how thorough are they when it comes to vin numbers and such? I don't really want to swap everything back to stock and my buddy has a 90 NA thats stock and is the same color. Since I have the windshield and dash board out of my car, I was thinking of drilling out the rivets on the vin plate and maybe take some rivet heads and just glue them on. That way it looks like it is still attached, then take some two sided tape and stick it over his, put my license plates on his car and win? I have looked into and asked around about all this hot smog stuff, the people I have asked around here that have done it cost them anywhere from $250 to $350 depending on the shop. That seems a little outrageous to me. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 751332)
It goes into a lot more things, such as the number of unfinished monitors in the OBD system you let through, and how many times you abort at test, etc etc.
Originally Posted by redfred18t
(Post 751330)
That seems ridiculous. Do you have any support for that?
The department may establish performance standards On the plus side, it also looks as if they are going to eliminate the dyno test for OBD-II vehciles, and go on plug-in testing alone. that test-only stations would be required to meet to be eligible to issue certificates of compliance or noncompliance for vehicles selected pursuant to Section 44010.5 or 44014.7, or vehicles identified by the department as gross polluters. Failure at any time to meet these standards shall result in an automatic suspension by operation of law of the certification to test these vehicles granted by the department. Many other states have previously adopted such a procedure, and in at least some of those states, it has eventually led to the elimination of testing altogether for non OBD-II vehciles. North Carolina springs to mind as one example- only '96 and newer cars are required to get smogged, because they got rid of the equipment necessary to test older cars. Will CA go that route? Hard to say- we do have a bit of a reputation for being hard-asses. On the other hand, if one considers the number of pre '96 vehicles on the road today relative to the number of '96 and newer vehicles... :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by RyanRaduechel
(Post 751688)
I didn't pay attention to how well they looked at the vin plate on the dash, and the vin stamped on the firewall.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 751883)
I seem to recall that they scan the barcode on the door sill, which goes directly into the computer.
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Originally Posted by RyanRaduechel
(Post 751912)
Well that might just be a little harder to get away with, maybe make it look like the car has been painted and the serial number was painted over. I'm sure the barcode stickers are tamper proof so you can't take them off and reuse them.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 751883)
I thought that in CA, any unready monitors were an immediate fail. IOW, the tech doesn't have any control over the process.
For cars from 96-2000 I think 2 monitors can be incomplete, after 2000 its one monitor (usually ends up being evap). |
Update:
You can pass CA smog with an exintake swap, a fresh non-ca magnaflow cat, and an mp62. In fact, you will likely pass with very good numbers. |
What year car?
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 753225)
What year car?
The supercharger seems to eat cats. I burned out one cat inside 2 months and the rest of the exhaust system doesn't seem to be doing well. |
What are you using for management? How are your AFRs? If you are running super-rich under boost or otherwise, your cat is working overtime.
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Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 753357)
What are you using for management? How are your AFRs? If you are running super-rich under boost or otherwise, your cat is working overtime.
Anyways, I just wanted to let folks know that the exintake swap, in combination with the MP62 can pass smog in CA with flying colors. |
My rotrex is currently running with the supplied band-aid management, but I'm also running an AEM UEGO wideband in a second bung on my downpipe. No reason not to know whats going on, even if I can't control it. I have a stand-alone MS2 in the garage and if life would cooperate and give me some time, I'd have it installed already. Its not that hard to pull your ECU/band-aids and swap in an stand-alone on a 94. Hell, you can get a new MegaSquirtPNP MM9495 new from DIYAutoTune for under $600 right now, or less if you snag a used one from the forum classifieds for significantly less. Add a wideband and you are cooking with gas. If you are really worried about cat replacement, get yourself a full RacingBeat stainless exhaust and swap in your stock cat/ECU/band-aids for emissions testing. The big hurdle with the MS is tuning, but there are more resources here on MT or over on DIY than you can shake a stick at.
You have an underhood CARB sticker for your SC, no one is going to question your management until its test-time. No reason to keep burning up cats with band-aids. |
Or find someone who is willing to ignore visual...It's a lot easier than trying to find someone who will clean pipe you.
I plan to pass smog next year with MS. It is possible to pass emissions with an MS. |
And to think, when I went to title the V8 Miata a couple of months ago, I pointed to the title at the clerks desk and said "It's silver now. It has 8 cylinders now." She made the changes and I went on my merry way. We voted out vehicle inspections back in '80 or '81. I can't remember which.
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Originally Posted by Stein
(Post 753652)
And to think, when I went to title the V8 Miata a couple of months ago, I pointed to the title at the clerks desk and said "It's silver now. It has 8 cylinders now." She made the changes and I went on my merry way. We voted out vehicle inspections back in '80 or '81. I can't remember which.
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