Depowering my steering.
A quick question, what did you guys with the wire coming out of the top of the pump when you removed it, just snipped it? I have no idea what it is for and thought I would ask.
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I'd tape the end and zip tie it to the rest of the harness in case you ever decide to reinstall the PS system.
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what is your opinion on being without ps...?
is it easy to turn the steering wheel? i'm contemplating cleaning up some room down there, but i'm afraid i won't like it, it's a daily driver. |
Originally Posted by robino
(Post 365407)
what is your opinion on being without ps...?
is it easy to turn the steering wheel? i'm contemplating cleaning up some room down there, but i'm afraid i won't like it, it's a daily driver. |
Originally Posted by robino
(Post 365407)
what is your opinion on being without ps...?
is it easy to turn the steering wheel? i'm contemplating cleaning up some room down there, but i'm afraid i won't like it, it's a daily driver. |
I looped the rack on my civic, and it sucked at speeds under 5mph. Other than that it was great. However, on the miata I plan on stripping down the rack so there isn't that low speed resistance. This will be a spring time project though, I don't like working on cars in the cold if it isn't necessary.
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Anyone that cant daily drive a fucking miata without P/S needs to grow a dick....sorry, but its ridiculous to even contemplate the idea any longer. :vash:
Vash- |
my tiny wife will drive the car once in a while, i have Popeye forearms and could handle a Mack truck without PS
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Originally Posted by robino
(Post 365407)
what is your opinion on being without ps...?
is it easy to turn the steering wheel? i'm contemplating cleaning up some room down there, but i'm afraid i won't like it, it's a daily driver. |
Tell your wife to grow a pair. The only hard thing is turning the wheel at a dead stop. As soon as you are rolling even slightly, you can palm it.
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what did you guys use for these empty orifices?
Attachment 208376 I recall someone at m.net selling special plugs to screw in. Also in this picture they had the motor out so it was easy to loop them that way, any disadvantages to just looping the lines when they both come around to the front of the rack? |
i believe those two circles in the pics have to be looped together with a small hose.
am i right? |
I did this, the FM web site has a complete write up about it.
I didn't bother just looping the lines, I took out the rack and removed that MAJOR piece of metal CRAP which has made a good difference than just looping the line. A friend I have here just looped the lines and his steering is a little heavier than mine. Go the FM route and get all that crap out of there man ! Car feels WAY BETTER after a week and you can FEEL the Limit of the wheels !!! |
No, the lines that are looped in the picture need to be looped. Those two just need to be capped. The free way is to cut the line near the fitting, then smash it closed.
Full FM depower is the better way though. |
Originally Posted by Vashthestampede
(Post 365428)
Anyone that cant daily drive a fucking miata without P/S needs to grow a dick....sorry, but its ridiculous to even contemplate the idea any longer. :vash:
Vash- MiataRoadster sells a de-power kit with all of the plugs you need, without having to do the hose looping and shit. |
Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
(Post 365513)
I was about to say the same, but you took care of the dirty work. My last 3 cars have been without power steering. In a car as light as a Miata and my old 1st gen RX7, there is no need for p/s unless you are a 80 year old woman. I also feel safer in a non p/s car because of how the car corrects itself in a slide. Power steering numbs the feedback from the steering and suspension to me.
MiataRoadster sells a de-power kit with all of the plugs you need, without having to do the hose looping and shit. |
anyone got a link to the FM depower kit?
i just searched on their website and didn't spot it |
I haven't seen the one from FM before, but I've seen the one Bill @ miataroadster sells.
MiataRoadster: MiataRoadster products Edit: I guess the FM one is referring to the tutorial they have in the tech section. http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/depower.php?x=1 I did it the easy way and just bought a base miata. :) Vash- |
see, i thought that plugging the rack with this type of kit doesn't make it feel as good as looping the hoses between outlets.
who has tried both looping, and then plugging them off to see what the difference is, if any. |
Originally Posted by robino
(Post 365545)
see, i thought that plugging the rack with this type of kit doesn't make it feel as good as looping the hoses between outlets.
who has tried both looping, and then plugging them off to see what the difference is, if any. |
I couldnt tell a difference at all..
My rack that was depowered the FM way took a shit all over itself. When I put a new one in I was too lazy to tear it apart to get the seal out. the difference was minimal to none. Then again I also have huge popeye forearms |
I thought looping the lines was more about plugging up two holes with 1 piece of hose, reducing having to find caps and whatnot. Id still much rather fill the rack and plug it with a proper kit like Bill sells.
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Is a de-powered rack as good as swapping in a stock manual rack or is the ratio different?
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Power rack has a tighter ratio.
I didn't plug or loop anything except the two circled fittings in that photo. You basically take the pump and reservoir out of the equation and loop those lines. Drain all the fluid, cut one fitting, one hoseclamp, done. |
If you do the full depower and cut the piece inside the rack make sure you follow all the tourqe specs that FM has listed. Especially the one for 43in-lbs. I orginially did that bolt to tight and it made my steering way to hard. I then loosened it some and it got alot better.
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Originally Posted by Savington
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Power rack has a tighter ratio.
I didn't plug or loop anything except the two circled fittings in that photo. You basically take the pump and reservoir out of the equation and loop those lines. Drain all the fluid, cut one fitting, one hoseclamp, done. |
Originally Posted by mazda/nissan
(Post 366119)
drain all the fluid out of the lines or the rack too (somehow)? I would think what little was left in the rack could be lube?
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mazda/nissan: Are you talking about the wire that fits over the tiny shaft on the p/s pump?
I did this last September. One of the best mods for the track that costs basically nothing! I bought the depowered rack kit from miataroadster. I couldn't get the smaller bolts off of the line, so I just looped the lines. I now have a "correctly" depowered rack that needs to be installed one day. I need to figure out the thread pitch on the big bolts. |
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haha. yeah, that's it. :) I think I just followed the wiring back a few feet and cut it off.
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lets see your wife's tits.
how's the manual steering club? I'll never go back. |
Originally Posted by hustler
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lets see your wife's tits.
Originally Posted by hustler
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how's the manual steering club? I'll never go back.
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There are poly rack bushings? I want!
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So do you guys who depower, remove the pump and high pressure line too? I'm looking for a HP line for the steering. I need to mod it for my swap.
Sorry to hijack. Might put up an WTB. Frank |
Originally Posted by fmowry
(Post 366323)
So do you guys who depower, remove the pump and high pressure line too? I'm looking for a HP line for the steering. I need to mod it for my swap.
Sorry to hijack. Might put up an WTB. Frank |
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