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ninerwfo 04-21-2018 11:24 PM

Does this mean I have to buy a new ATI damper?
 
The puller marked the inside of the damper when it was taken off (see pic) - does this mean the damper is ruined, given that it is supposed to be an almost-perfect press-fit?
Thanks folks.
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miata2fast 04-22-2018 08:42 AM

These things happen. Don’t worry about it so much.

Rub the area with sandpaper to knock down the high points and reinstall.

ninerwfo 04-22-2018 08:55 PM

Righto, so in the absence of arguments to the contrary, I shall smooth it down and send it. Any other thoughts / consensus out there?
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curly 04-22-2018 10:04 PM

Run it. Honestly there’s little reason for them to make it as tight of a press fit as they do.

Savington 04-23-2018 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1478585)
Run it. Honestly there’s little reason for them to make it as tight of a press fit as they do.

In the Supra community, it's well-known that their out-of-the-box fitment is simply not to be trusted. Standard procedure is to hand-hone any ATI damper to fit the engine before installation. I've seen tremendous variance myself in ATI's dampers on Miata engines - some dampers are perfect, others require herculean effort to get pressed on and off.

curly 04-23-2018 10:06 PM

Ah, I've only installed Mobius', and holy crap. Had to take it off once and I sand papered it a bit. Fit much more like an SPM damper after that and I was extremely pleased.

Savington 04-23-2018 10:57 PM

I've done two of them now. The first was a nightmare, a 2.5hr ordeal of on/off over and over again since the fit was so tight it was drawing the key up the keyway. The second slid on like I would expect it to with no issues. SPM dampers were aluminum hub which is more tolerant of poor press-fit tolerance. The ATI is steel and has the integrated crank gear which means you're press-fitting a much longer piece. The difference between a proper .001" fit and an out-of-tolerance .0025" or .003" fit is the difference between "that was easy" and "that's never coming apart again".

Between the pressfit tolerance issues that are apparent in their Miata dampers as well as their other applications and their most recent QC issues, needless to say, I'll never touch an ATI product again.

ninerwfo 04-24-2018 05:15 AM

So if that's the case Sav, and next week you need to build a customer TSE engine, you would use what damper?

jonboy 04-24-2018 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by ninerwfo (Post 1478815)
So if that's the case Sav, and next week you need to build a customer TSE engine, you would use what damper?

+1 - would be interested to know this. I'm currently running a 20+ year old standard pulley, I was in the market for an uprated damper but Supermiata no longer have them, and it appears that ATI are also fraught with problems... Is a new OEM damper really the only option? Any views on what BHJ's 'QC' issues were?

TurboTim 04-24-2018 08:51 AM

Trackspeed private label damper: an ATI damper with his own crank hub!

Savington 04-24-2018 11:01 AM

I would wait and see what comes to market in the next few months.

curly 04-24-2018 11:47 AM

:idea:

DNMakinson 04-24-2018 11:53 AM

Showing ignorance... Is the Supermiata damper a re-badged ATI, or another, available choice?

concealer404 04-24-2018 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1478870)
Showing ignorance... Is the Supermiata damper a re-badged ATI, or another, available choice?

It was made by BHJ. They still sell dampers for Miatas directly, but unclear if they're actually the same units.

DNMakinson 04-24-2018 12:59 PM

Right, then there is this quote from Emilio:

As stated a few times in this forum, we did not ship any bad dampers to the best of our knowledge. We returned a bunch to BHJ for rework or scrap though. The percentage of dampers that failed our QC here was appalling. New issues popping up every other production batch, the old issues resurfacing. Besides the regular delays in getting adequate stock, I was paranoid that we would miss something and have a bunch of bad dampers bolted to expensive engines in the field. So we discontinued the damper altogether. If any BHJ Miata dampers show from another vendor, caveat emptor. And no, we can't coach you on our QC checklist

curly 04-24-2018 02:30 PM

Great to know, I'm not sure I had seen that quote before. Good on him.

So no good damper option on the market currently...cough cough.

ridethecliche 04-24-2018 09:41 PM

The ATI is still a good option but is now at skunk2 level with some modification required haha.

The supermiata damper i have was a bit terrifying to get on, though i think that had more to do with the previous owners installation and removal efforts.


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1478858)
I would wait and see what comes to market in the next few months.

oh hay


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