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compy 05-09-2008 01:13 AM

Grinding into 3rd with new clutch
 
Ever since I replaced my stock clutch with an ACT clutch ZM2-XTSS, when I shift into third at high RPM (accel quickly), it grinds a bit. This doesn't happen with any other gears, or at low rpm. If I push it up a bit and let it help pull it into gear (synchros?), it goes right in with no problems.

I added tranny fluid since some was lost in the swap, and greased the shifter.

Any ideas?

Dark Wanderer 05-09-2008 02:15 AM

Did you check your slave cylinder?

compy 05-09-2008 02:23 AM

The level on the clutch fluid resevoir does not seem to be moving. I'm assuming the issue are you eluding to it a leaky slave. Would that present itself in the loss of clutch fluid?

cjernigan 05-09-2008 02:25 AM

If you double clutch does it still grind?

compy 05-09-2008 02:28 AM

If you ask me the same question on aim, will my answer change?

I'll try and report back tommorrow :)

samnavy 05-09-2008 07:03 AM

^First, if you ever talk shit to one of the locals again, I'll sign you up for a lifetime Playgirl subscription. Second, if somebody asks you a question at another location, it's probably because they're trying to get you a solution in the shortest amount of time.... ON THE OFFCHANCE YOU LOG IN SOMEWHERE AND ONLY CHECK YOUR AIM AND DON'T HAVE TIME FOR SURFING, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER SOONER AND MAYBE SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM! And adding a smiley at the end of your post doesn't mean it's OK to be a dick... dick.

compy 05-09-2008 08:01 AM

wow. guess not

Ben 05-09-2008 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by compy (Post 254380)
wow. guess not, sir

Fixed.
Don't piss my boy off.

compy 05-09-2008 08:26 AM

Well I apologise for your boy thinking I was talking shit. Chad is one of my friends and I do not believe he would have taken that offensively. He if feels otherwise, then I will handle the situation differenly if required. Lighten up man, I wasn't out to piss anyone off.

Ben 05-09-2008 08:39 AM

Dude, don't get all Aunt Louisey up in here. We're just screwing with you.
:jerkit:

compy 05-09-2008 08:43 AM

Yeah well I learned early on that screwing back = ban so what can I do...

Braineack 05-09-2008 08:51 AM

incorrect, screwing back = joining the club
crying like a baby = warnings
3 warnings = 2-day ban
crying about temp ban = perm ban

hustler 05-09-2008 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by compy (Post 254383)
Well I apologise for your boy thinking I was talking shit. Chad is one of my friends and I do not believe he would have taken that offensively. He if feels otherwise, then I will handle the situation differenly if required. Lighten up man, I wasn't out to piss anyone off.

Listen, don't ever be sarcastic to us online ever again. We've been taking noxplod for probably the last 5 months in a row, and I'm squatting 450 for reps, little man. Don't ever think for one second that I wouldn't squash you like the little bug you are. Girls come up to me and ask if I'm a professional body builder all the time, and they also say how hot I am. So if you ever begin to think for one second that you're better than me, you better think again. i drive an M3 that's not leased, and I can bench twice my weight (I weigh 210 at 7% bodyfat, ------). PM me for pics if you don't believe me, little ------. Final warning.

compy 05-09-2008 09:37 AM

ROFL. Forget it, it obviously not getting though. Ok bring the ban. I don't even know why you are joining this conversation.

Braineack 05-09-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by compy (Post 254423)
ROFL. Forget it, it obviously not getting though. Ok bring the ban. I don't even know why you are joining this conversation.


correct response here would be: Hustler, where's that turbo?

hustler 05-09-2008 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 254430)
correct response here would be: Hustler, where's that turbo?

and my response would be:

Hey guys, don't be so mean to me. I wanna be e-cool.



(in a box)

Zabac 05-09-2008 09:59 AM

Don't mess with Hustler, I saw him in person at the National Amateur Bodybuilders Convention in Tulsa, OK, he was banned from the contest for looking way to proffesional. We later hung out at the local straight bar and he kicked six dudes asses just for staring at his crotch. I kid you not, that NOexplod stuff will make you a mean motherfucker, I suggest you go buy some yourself and comeback and then start posting.


As far as you grind, how are your motor mounts?

compy 05-09-2008 10:04 AM

Mounts are good, as far as I can tell. The engine doesn't seem to be vibrating more than usual or slanted. Quickly looking at them, they look fine.

mike_671 05-09-2008 10:34 AM

Just take apart the tranny and re install the clutch and make sure its done right. Torque the bolts to specs. Bleed the slave. And make sure the clutch is in when your shifting :)

cjernigan 05-09-2008 10:56 AM

I posted here before asking on AIM, that way if anyone asks further questions about your issues one topic might be covered already. Sounds like hustler wants to eat you for breakfast.

steelrat 05-09-2008 11:26 AM

I know it's been suggested, but I had more of a problem with the 2-3 shift, prior to doing the motor mounts with the motor swap. Turned out they were both cracked in the rubber....

Might be worth a triple check. <G>

Dave,

compy 05-09-2008 11:34 AM

I'm gonna bleed the slave today, and since we have gotten two people asking about the mounts, I will triple check.

And yes the clutch is it when I shift :-P

spike 05-09-2008 11:51 AM

You might also want to switch to a SS braided clutchline.

johndoe 05-09-2008 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 254417)
Listen, don't ever be sarcastic to us online ever again. We've been taking noxplod for probably the last 5 months in a row, and I'm squatting 450 for reps, little man. Don't ever think for one second that I wouldn't squash you like the little bug you are. Girls come up to me and ask if I'm a professional body builder all the time, and they also say how hot I am. So if you ever begin to think for one second that you're better than me, you better think again. i drive an M3 that's not leased, and I can bench twice my weight (I weigh 210 at 7% bodyfat, ------). PM me for pics if you don't believe me, little ------. Final warning.

If this were real life I'd be your friend, since this is only e-life all I can offer is this.:ky:

devin mac 05-09-2008 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by samnavy (Post 254375)
^First, if you ever talk shit to one of the locals again, I'll sign you up for a lifetime Playgirl subscription. Second, if somebody asks you a question at another location, it's probably because they're trying to get you a solution in the shortest amount of time.... ON THE OFFCHANCE YOU LOG IN SOMEWHERE AND ONLY CHECK YOUR AIM AND DON'T HAVE TIME FOR SURFING, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER SOONER AND MAYBE SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM! And adding a smiley at the end of your post doesn't mean it's OK to be a dick... dick.

here ya go, bud... :)

http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/149834/200.jpg

devin mac 05-09-2008 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 254433)
Don't mess with Hustler, I saw him in person at the National Amateur Bodybuilders Convention in Tulsa, OK, he was banned from the contest for looking way to proffesional. We later hung out at the local straight bar and he bought six dudes drinks just for staring at his crotch. I kid you not, that NOexplod stuff will make you a queer motherfucker, I suggest you go buy some yourself and comeback and then start posting.


As far as you grind, how are your motor mounts?

FYP

Toddcod 05-09-2008 01:19 PM

Hey man, If it were the slave cylinder. it would scratch all gears. Not just 3rd. Try bleeding it anyway. It is a simple mark off the list.
I wouldn't take the whole thing out if 1,2,4,5th gears worked good.

This probably isn't it. But it is good maintenance anyway. My tranny was hard to shift in gear and I added oil to my shifter and it smoothed alot out. If your oil drained out of your shifter when the tranny was out this might help.

This was the first car I had ever had to add oil to the shifter. It only took a few minutes and helped alot.

compy 05-09-2008 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Toddcod (Post 254565)
Hey man, If it were the slave cylinder. it would scratch all gears. Not just 3rd. Try bleeding it anyway. It is a simple mark off the list.
I wouldn't take the whole thing out if 1,2,4,5th gears worked good.

This probably isn't it. But it is good maintenance anyway. My tranny was hard to shift in gear and I added oil to my shifter and it smoothed alot out. If your oil drained out of your shifter when the tranny was out this might help.

This was the first car I had ever had to add oil to the shifter. It only took a few minutes and helped alot.


Bleeding it for mait. too so getting it out of the way. I have a six speed so the oil that i add to the shift turret goes into the transmission. I wanted some kind of lubricant in there so I greased the shifter. That is probably along the lines of what hustler said to those guys at the bar :).

Vashthestampede 05-09-2008 01:40 PM

Might just be worth checking....

When my tranny started having issues and I noticed that I could lift my tranny by pulling up on my shifter, it was too late....I wish I had checked.

Check the big motherfuckin bolts that go into the PPF. Mainly the ones that go into the tranny itself, not so much the ones on the rear.

One of mine came loose and fell while I was on the street, major suckage. I immediately had to pull over and fix it, and once I was under there I saw another was loose and one was missing. :eek5:

Vash-

Zabac 05-09-2008 03:50 PM

can you imagine loosing you PPF while driving down the street, I would freak the fuck out...

Vashthestampede 05-09-2008 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 254657)
can you imagine loosing you PPF while driving down the street, I would freak the fuck out...

The beginning of last summer I remember being out with the gf and just taking a drive and hearing a "clink" followed by a continuous scrappppiiinngggg, I pulled over and then like that it was gone. So I drove a little more and decided to pull over and take a look under the car and found nothing odd.

Then I started having problems going into gear once and awhile, and I noticed the shifter had some movement to it. Then I had to drive the car back home from New Haven (like a 45min drive) holding the tranny up the whole ride with the voodoo knob to keep it from bouncing. I didn't know what the fuck was going on.

Next day, on my way home from the shop the same thing "clink" and scraping noise. I pulled over and put the right side of the car on a curb and climbed under and saw this 14" bolt bent to fuck and hanging from the PPF. I luckily keep my toolbox in the trunk for shit like this. Put it back in, tightened the other one that was loose, and still have one missing (from the first clink I'm assuming). I plan on taking care of it for good while I'm currently doing the other work.

But no more problems with the tranny since then....

Vash-

Braineack 05-09-2008 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 254657)
can you imagine loosing you PPF while driving down the street, I would freak the fuck out...


Can you imagine losing your driveshaft while driving down the street....you would think the driver would notice all the vibrations before it let go.

Zabac 05-09-2008 04:35 PM

Vash, I noticed one of my bolts on the rear brace was loose once, luckily I cought it, no biggie even if it did come undone, it's only a brace. Now the PPF is a different story.

Scott, what are you hinting?

Braineack 05-09-2008 04:41 PM

im hinting at my own stupidness. It's not related to the OP in any way.

Vashthestampede 05-09-2008 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 254686)
Vash, I noticed one of my bolts on the rear brace was loose once, luckily I cought it, no biggie even if it did come undone, it's only a brace. Now the PPF is a different story.

Scott, what are you hinting?

Yea man, the PPF right where it meets the tranny is where my shit was goin on.

Losing a driveshaft while driving has to fucking be awful. I wouldn't want that to happen to me.

Vash-

y8s 05-09-2008 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 254692)
im hinting at my own stupidness. It's not related to the OP in any way.

WITNESS!

scott had one (loose!) bolt holding his drive shaft on. I ate a burger w/lars while he fixed it. awesome.

3rd gear could be lubrication or marginal clutch (do both 1 and 2 have synchros? does 3?)

Braineack 05-09-2008 05:28 PM

i know reverse and 1st do.

heck it could even just need a few threads on the clutch rod lengthed.

Stein 05-09-2008 06:04 PM

Outside chance-tweaked shift fork? I could see it happening if there have been some missed 2-3 shifts in the past. Might indicate why only third gear.


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