Thanks.

Now which one do I buy for my 2000?

The 60 dollar kit isnt 55 watt. 55w is 75 bucks. The 60 dollar kit has a pretty label on the ballast. Personally I think its all the same shit. Get the 40 dollar kit.

From what I understand these kits are plug and play, they plug into the H4 harness on the car and draw the power from there. So you wont be getting the relay with it.

Alright so im def going with the raptor $40 kit HID Xenon Kits, HID Bulbs, HID Accessories


Now its up to the ebay lenses joe posted eBay Motors: 7" ROUND PROJECTOR HEADLIGHTS CONVERSION KIT H6024 H4 (item 110329342808 end time Jan-21-09 10:02:13 PST)


and the hella lenses...

My 55W are way way brighter than my friend's 35W kit. When I got everything I'd need off that site, it came up at 99 pre shipping. Still not a bad price... Maybe I'd need to look around first, except I already have HIDs for every vehicle. :-P

I did some searching last night, and came up with some info that may guide you here.

1- Of, the eBay 7" projectors, elesjuan notes "Second, don't waste your time or money on the socalled 7" projector light housings, they're complete and total fucking trash. Even with my HID lights, they put out less light than in a standard h4 parabolic housing."
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t17917-2/#post226574


2- Ben notes "Got the Hella E-codes from Bill @ miataroadster.com.
Tried them with halogen bulbs first. They did a much better job than stock sealed beams, but failed to impress me vs ching chong + HID. So I put the HIDs in the E-codes. (...)
The cut-offs are pretty damn amazing with the E's & HIDs. Looks very much like a real projector. The patterns are better, with even light distribution." (note that Ben's ching-chongs are reflectors, not projectors)
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t17917-3/#post228798


3- elesjuan follows "Left side is E-Code, right side is crappy chingchong "projector" junk lights. Identical HID bulb in each housing. Painfully obvious which puts out better light, and chineese headlight housings are just complete and total junk." (the picture here is worth a thousand words)
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t17917-3/#post241897


The consensus seems to be that while "real" OEM-style projectors (ie: the Hella H9s that are used in the Moss lo-pro kit) are awesome, the 7" projector conversions commonly sold on eBay are shit. The best results seem to be from a set of Hella E-code 7" reflector housings, with HID lamps in them.

Thinking out loud...

The Moss low-profile headlight package with the 90mm H9 projectors is probably the best of all commonly available headlight assemblies, and a set of HIDs installed in said package the best of all headlight solutions.

The downside is that those things are shockingly expensive- $500. Of that, a large portion of the cost seems to be the headlight modules themselves. Hella 90mm modules (both projector and free-form) typically sell for about $60-$70 each, while the "proper" Bi-Xenon versions are a terrifying $600 each.

What if a person were to go full-DIY here? Projector headlights have been fairly common in a large number of vehicles for some time now- everything from BMW to Hyundai, with a large number of Hondas and Toyotas in the middle. If one could obtain a pair of the OEM headlights for one of these vehicles from a junkyard, it might be possible to dismantle them and then re-assemble them into a tight side-by-side form that would fit into the NA headlight housing. Come up with a homebrew version of Moss' low-profile mounting hardware, find a way to seal 'em back up (lexan and glue, anyone?) and you could probably have a killer setup for relatively little money.

I've actually looked into this (and started threads stating I would find THE solution), and just become frustrated. Even used projectors are somewhat pricey, you might as well just buy new ones that are exactly what you're looking for. You may get lucky, but I've been looking, and I haven't. After putting the VVME.com kit on my wife's ride I've decided to just get the Hellas and do this to the Miata as well.

Does anyone have any experience with the "bi-xenon" lights that retract the bulb partially to simulate high/low beams? Or anyone have long term experience with specific ballasts or is the general consensus that they are all the same?

VVME.com, eh? Hadn't heard of 'em before. Just checked out their website.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/...om_cf13d39.gif



Yeah. Looks like a real reputable, top-notch outfit.


:D

I have the same question. I see the links, but those are only for single beam HID setups, right? The OP talks of a dual-beam HID setup that is motorized to switch modes, which is what I would need with the stock housing.

My initial reaction as well...

I was surprised though. Despite the instructions in pure Chinese, everything seems pretty well made, and has held up fantastically.

I think the Chinese have finally discovered Quality Control, now they just need to work on customer service.

That's it. I'm done with this thread.

I apologize as for whatever reason I missed this. :bang:


So, for a real question, will the longer 55W bulbs fit into the E-code housing or will they be too long?

I must admit to being slightly confused by the 9003 designation on the NB(1) headlight. Some sources seem to indicate that it is the same as (or compatible with) the H4, whereas others list these two separately.

So the question is: will an NB(1) take an H4, and is said lamp less optimal than (or different from) a 9003?

Most of the vendors seem to have, single-beam, "bi-xenon" (movable) and dual-element systems available. To refer to the bi-xenon as motorized might be a stretch- the ones I've seen actually used a solenoid to push the bulb in and out, so it's a rather quick transition.

In the H4 series, the common nomenclature for the bi-xenon lamp seems to be H4-3, while the dual-element (Xenon lo, Halogen hi) is H4-2.

Example of H4-2:
http://www.best4shop.com/imagehosts/HID/test/h4-2.jpg

Example of H4-3 (aka telescopic H4):
http://www.best4shop.com/imagehosts/.../h4bixenon.jpg

Affirmative.

I also have looked and even used projectors are $$. I think ill go with e codes and HID, susquehanna gives a %10 discount if you mention m net too.

In that case, VVME needs to brush up on the various consumer fraud statutes in the US. Excerpt from their website:Like anything else, it varies. It's a large and diverse country, and to say that all of China is one way or another is too much of an oversimplification. Some factories are equipped with modern tools and run by people who have a focus on producing high-quality parts. Others operate in dilapidated conditions and/or are focused simply on high-volume, low cost.

Look at the auto industry in the US, for example. On the one hand, you have the Corvette plant in Bowling Green and the (former) Saturn factory in Spring Hill, and on the other you have Moraine and Flint East, which might as well be located in Smolensk and Krakow.

Trust me, I know Joe. I test parts (steel fasteners) we purchase from China at work. We went through a couple of vendors before we found on that had internal QC. I was alluding to the fact that they (some of them) have discovered and implemented what we and the Japanese have known all along: Check your shit before sending it to the customer.

As far as design, manufacturing, or warranty claims, trust it as far as you would a grammatically incorrect eGay ad. The warranty thing has to be a joke, but I knew going in there was no returning them. Others have tried and failed, and shipping to Beijing has to suck.

But for a $40(or $80) swipe of your Paypal you will have a kit show up to your door that works, and works pretty damn well. If you have qualms about where it came from, who they copied the design from, or want customer service, it's definitely not the kit for you. And for all of those reasons if I had a single problem with them I would stand up and make sure no one on the intrawebz ever bought one again. But it works, so oh well.

The place I got mine from is at least CE compliant, ISO 9000 and 9001 certified, and I'm tickeled pink with both of the H4 kits, the car and the TL1000R are a joy to drive now. I test drove a friend's bike the other night and was scared just opening the throttle. Thankfully it was a 600 so there wasn't really anything on the line. :-P

HID Xenon Kits, HID Bulbs, HID Accessories

This place is popular and reputable with the Bimmer and VW crowd.

Thats the ApexCone kit, which has the lifetime warranty. I Purchased and installed one of these on my Protege, very very pleased with it!

I ordered 3 HID kits from them on 1-8-09. Getting nothing more than run around as of today at 2pm eastern.
They claim that they do not have ballasts I ordered in stock, but will "upgrade" me to ballasts they do have for like $60 more.

What's the difference between the 50 and 35 in a non-projector light? Just too bright?

The problem is too much scatter.

Non-projector throw out all kinds of random light, and the 50W makes that scattered junk 43% brighter, which means what was mildly annoying to other drivers is now a dangerous pain in the ass worthy of following home.

Maybe in your lights. My non-projectors on the NB are awesome awesome, I've tested and tested, ridden behind friends, cops, etc, and had no issues. 50W, they work perfect. The place shipped out my order fast, etc. It's like $100/car, personally, given the quality, I would say it's a no brainer, EVERYTHING you need is included.

Abe did you mention where you got yours somewhere that I missed?

Miata specific they may be alright, I don't know yet. I hope to use the E codes on my NA.

But speaking generally with most cars (my experience is with wife's cavalier), there is a lot of scatter, and the higher wattage makes it horrible. I'm seriously tempted to take them out of that pussy car, and I've adjusted them until they're pushing down on the bumper.

My wife really likes the light though, so I'll probably be looking into painting sections inside the reflector housing.

I'm tempted to try this because of the price. I already have e-codes and a sperate wiring harness for the bulbs installed. eBay Motors: HID XENON CONVERSION KIT H3/H4/H7/H10/H11/H13/D2S/D2R+ (item 280304354599 end time Jan-22-09 18:40:57 PST)

I think Joe Perez said they work really well in the E-codes, but I don't remember the thread title.

If you ordered the raptor kit, I think there is a wait for some reason. The manufacturer talks about them here: .:DDM Tuning - A Little More About Raptor HID - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum

A few of my friends have the VVME.com kits on there cars. For the price they are very satisfied. So far only one for my friends in the past year has had any issues with his. (and he drives around with his on 24/7) They are cheap and replaceable for the price.

Actually, I was just quoting others, and it was in this very thread: https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t28276-2/#post351183

See, that's how good my memory is. Sorry, was studying, didn't have time to look it up.

Got them on ebay, from a guy who did me a nice group buy last time, the more you get the cheaper they are. I was thinking of trying to get together another buy but it doesn't look like there is a lot of interest....

I'm interested for a '99-'00 stock headlamp setup. If no group buy gets going, I would like to know what exactly you got and from what buyer.

Maybe its just the crappy housing GM manufactured for that car?

I'm running HID lights in my Protege and it doesn't just scatter light everywhere. When it gets dark I'll take a photo of those, its pretty incredible how well they work. Once I got them adjusted properly I can see well over 1/4 mile ahead and have yet to be flashed by oncoming motorists or pulled over by da fuzz.

OK then, converting this back into an official feeler. Who would be interested in 55W HID kits, regular ballasts (weigh about the same, fit under headlight body really nicely on an NB), "dual xenon" meaning the entire bulb is mounted on a little solenoid and sticks in and out, comes with all wiring, keyed, water proof plugs, fuse, relay, etc etc.

I will post pics of it installed later.

Anyway, assume they are ~$100, but I think I can get it cheaper. Once I know how many people are in, I'll see what I can get the price knocked down to. I imagine with 10 we'd be looking at a nice discount.

You can get them in any color (I'm happy with 4500), and they also happen to work very well in a suzuki TL1000R :-) They come with a few different blinders to accommodate different headlight set ups, but didn't require adjusting on my car after putting it.

^^ I'm in exactly as described above.
The Silverstar Ultras are great, but not very durable in my experience (and others). I'm ready to try something else.

What kind of warranty do they come with?

Link for example of the item you got??

wow, I am so waiting for them to bring out kits for $20.

Holy shit!

This is bad... Rearry Rearry bad... I'll own HID flashlights, wrist watch, sneakers.. :bowrofl:

so what the fuck is happening with this?

Sorry folks, totally slacking. I just sent off an email to ask for pricing and an updated link to info on his product line, will share it all with you when I hear back, I would expect late tonight.
-Abe.

Ok, after some prodding to get the shipping to individual addresses ready:

So there you go. These are good kits, I'm 100% satisfied with them, and have nothing to gain from any of this. Let me know. I'm going to take some pics "as installed" right now, post soon.

well, ive gone and bit the bullet. Purchased the hella e-code lamps and the raptor HID kit with lo-hi bulbs. Altogether it came out to around $165 shipped. Hope it was worth it.

20 dollars per kit for HID's. Thats not good at all. Everyone and their mother is gonna have them put into their cars and will blind the hell out of drivers on the road. I hope to god police will be handing out tickets.

I saw an eclipse last night with the ugliest HID's ive ever seen. Well i am not totally sure they really were HID, but they were like a deep purple and barely lit up the road. I flashed him because i figured they were just driving lights until i got closer and saw that they were the headlights. Some people are just simply retarded.

I still want to know what kind of warranty they have and if we could see a website or something.

Ditto

Asked for a link, the problem is it's hard for me to find from my history because I talked to ~15 people last time. :-) I'll wait till he gets back to me.

How about a ticket for improperly adjusted headlights? Why go after the wrong people? HID isn't the problem, I've been blinded by many a halogen truck.

OMG I hate those. You seriously feel bad for the people, but not as bad as you feel for the people who get run over by them

Dear Mara,

The link is :eBay Motors: BI-XENON HID KIT H4 H13 9004 9007 Hi/Lo 50W 55W 6000K (item 130280837432 end time Feb-10-09 12:22:05 PST)

Yes,all item with warranty .anything ,please kindly let us know ,we will try our best to support you !

Best regards!
Yours:Feng

I think I'm going to get 2-3 sets: Father's car, brother in law's car, maybe father's motorcycle.... :-)

Again, I have nothing to gain, but these are decent kits. If you're interested let me know, I'll make sure things work out with "Carlos".

ABEFM yea the pictures will be nice of the kit installed on your car also do some night shots from the inside out, of high and low beam so we can see the change. i already have e codes so all i want to see is how much brights the hids will look and if they cover more ground.

That looks like a good kit. I am in.

Probably won't do a halogen vs HID picture, though actually, I guess it would be very easy to do... Ok, I'll think about it. Pics as installed I'll take - I thought I had some but couldn't find them

I paid 63.99 shipped for mine on eBay. Love them :)

Will the 55W bulbs fit in an e-code housing (I read they are 1 cm longer)

Guess I don't know, with the little sheilds, they stick out a bit. I'd imagne the H4's have some room in there?

Pictures of beam pattern/cutoff please.