I may be joining the trashed motor club....
well the car is smoking..... quite a bit as of last night...
first things started as a little smoke on startup, that went away after 30 seconds or so..... now it seems to just smoke any time I'm on the throttle..... hoping it's the turbo, but I pulled a plug and there was oil on the threads.... need to run a compression check today at some point, but it's ass hot out.... worst part is I have an autocross school tomorrow, and the miata is fucked up, looks like I'll be driving the 240 instead unless I solve the smoke problem today somehow. oil level is fine, as is coolant level, and both look clean. The turbo's spoolup seems like it has gotten a bit slower lately (not that it was fast in the first place) it has a bit of up and down shaftplay, but no side to side or forward and back play in it..... I'll also check the PCV valve, but then again it was fine a month ago or so.... any ideas? the smoke doesn't have a distinct smell of fuel, coolant or oil.... it's dark colored, and there is an oilyish residue (that's always been there) inside the tailpipe) Also, we put a test pipe on the car yesterday if you think that I might just be burning shit out of the exhaust...... |
do a compression check if it comes out ok then your motor is most likely good. :D still turbo rebuild is abit of a chore alot less work than a motor build
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meh, I'd just change turbo's..... one of the reasons I think it may be a turbo issue is that I've been running a fleabay T3/T4 for a little over a year now.... it was bound to go at some time
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You'd know if it was coolant. If it's dark at all it's probably oil or fuel. possibly oil is getting past the seals.
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if it's turbo it would only smoke during vacuum... like sitting at stoplights or light cruise. that's when it'll suck oil through the seals and smoke like a bitch.
smoke under power and black oily soot is probably sadly rings. maybe valve seals depending on the compression test results. Here's my guesses: compression low dry, compression high wet: rings compression low wet and dry: valve seats and possibly seals. compression fine: valve seals smoke like a SOB at idle: turbo seals |
i dunno dude mine didn't smoke till the turbo went out.
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yeah it smokes bad at idle, and just off idle at a stop. If I stall the car and re-start it, it smokes badly (only stall because the clutch is junk)
started it up today in hopes of a miracle before my level 2 autocross school, and the smoke is light in color, and increases with throttle input at a stop, but I didn't really throttle it up much because it was cold. ended up using the 240 fopr the school today instead..... |
I'd do a quick compression check at this point...
in the least pull the spark plugs and check for oil on the electrodes. |
if it was JUST at idle, i'd say seals. but since it's idle and on the gas, i think you're fooked.
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so i run a compression check (car is a 2000)
results are as follows.... from front of engine to back Dry: 165 150 150 180 Wet: 180 160 170 190 The plugs had oil on the treads and were rather dark in color..... I assume piston rings at this point. Might have a leakdown done to confirm..... Opinions???? |
you pulled all the plugs and floored it and cranked til it peaked and stopped rising right?
cuz that looks like rings and or valves and you name it. |
well I pulled the plugs one at a time... but otherwise yes, cranked till the pressure peaked and stopped rising....
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oh.... I didn't floor the gas.... big deal or no?
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big deal, you have to do it wot
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you're suposed to have all the plugs pulled when you do a test arn't you? Would you like for me to take a look at it, or if you need help with anything let me know, i live in MD and i'm free all week till sunday, i work in towson. but live in Odenton (arundel mills)
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oh great, so much fun, have to do it again......
I'll let ya know if I need any help with it, unfortunately I have to work 7am-7pm the rest of the week |
new results, with throttle wide open, and all plugs pulled....
210 185 185 210 also, a funny noise from the head as I was revving the car up a bit to look at the smoke and warm it up for the test.... kinda like a quick rattle around 4k on both the up and downswing of revs.... |
According to the service manual; 209-psi is "standard", 146-psi is minimum, and max difference between cylinders is 28-psi.
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could still be the valve seals... dont think that shows up on compression tests. good to know it's not the rings though.
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I vote "mildly blown" head gasket - oil from return galley
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leakdown results are in..... and were perfect...... so I assume that the issue is either the valve seals or the turbo.....
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anyone got a same size turbo they can let you borrow?
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If it's a turbo seal you should be able to see the oil in the turbo after a few minutes of running since the turbo isn't hot enough yet to burn it off.
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nah, Imma rip it off at work tommorow on lunch and check it out
hopefully it's the turbo, because I have a grand or so burning a hole in my pocket to buy a new one....... |
ok..... new observations...... really nothing other than carbon in the exhaust side of the turbo that I could tell.....
I've been driving the car this past week or so, and on cold startup the problem doesn't usually arise until the car warms up. No smoke under light acceleration or while driving. Smoking is only really present when leaving from a stop, and then only at idle or slightly off idle. SOMETIMES it smokes if I rev the car at a dead stop. People must think I'm losing my mind, because I'll leave a light and look back behind me quickly a couple of times to see if there is smoke..... and sometimes there is quite a bit. Seems white to me, but people say it smells like fuel. more pertinent info, we changed the drivers side charge pipe diameter recently, from 2.5" to 2.25" (enlarging into 2.5" via a coupler at the intercooler). We removed that Cat, and the Hydra wideband due to a breakage of the midpipe (wideband was turned off anyway) Oil is royal purple 20w50, coolant is a 50/50 mix. Koyo 37mm rad with AWR dual fan setup, 160* thermostat. anything else that I could give as far as info goes....? |
Originally Posted by airbrush1
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ok..... new observations...... really nothing other than carbon in the exhaust side of the turbo that I could tell.....
I've been driving the car this past week or so, and on cold startup the problem doesn't usually arise until the car warms up. No smoke under light acceleration or while driving. Smoking is only really present when leaving from a stop, and then only at idle or slightly off idle. SOMETIMES it smokes if I rev the car at a dead stop. People must think I'm losing my mind, because I'll leave a light and look back behind me quickly a couple of times to see if there is smoke..... and sometimes there is quite a bit. Seems white to me, but people say it smells like fuel. more pertinent info, we changed the drivers side charge pipe diameter recently, from 2.5" to 2.25" (enlarging into 2.5" via a coupler at the intercooler). We removed that Cat, and the Hydra wideband due to a breakage of the midpipe (wideband was turned off anyway) Oil is royal purple 20w50, coolant is a 50/50 mix. Koyo 37mm rad with AWR dual fan setup, 160* thermostat. anything else that I could give as far as info goes....? |
for ease of routing mostly, it matches the compressor outlet diameter also. in addition it makes for a bit less volume the turbo needs to fill in order to push the air to the throttle body
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