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Jackson Racing Attending Miatas at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca | Jackson Racing

Follow the link for the full press release. We will also have two cars there with modified race versions of the new CARB legal Rotrex supercharger they are showcasing at the event. Our well know bright orange 95R, now renamed Deviate, will be one of the cars giving ride alongs. Price, specs, ETA are all TBD and I don't have that info yet (Blow up their phone). We will offer the kits when they hit the market, early next year I think. BTW, they already have the CARB EO

The Jackson have an NA6 set up as a daily driver also giving ride alongs. We purposely kept this car mild to more like a typical customer car. The Rotrex supercharger kit in it is pretty much what the production kit will be, it also has the only set of Tecnas currently in existence, stock sway bars and I think Dunlop DZ2's.

We have spent a lot of time together discussing various new products beyond the supercharger kits, sharing ideas and resources. They have some very cool stuff coming next year!

Do we have nothing on the kit? Just came out of nowhere? Curious about it.

It's been in development for quite a long time actually. Just a well kept secret.
We will release more info on the kit as we get closer to product launch.

It is an intercooled Rotrex kit with piggy back engine management. It's sound like they expect to begin shipping kits early next year sometime. Major components are all dialed and ready. Dialing in piping, bracketry etc, then gearing up production over the next few months. Understand, this announcement is not a product release. Just letting everyone know that:

A) They'll be at MRLS
B) They'll have a pre-production CARB legal Rotrex supercharged Miata there to give folks rides in

If they get a good price out there soon, I just might keep my NB and not get an NC... Unless they are going to make an NC version as well.

I expect great things out of Jackson Racing in the upcoming months. I really like their new CNC mounting bracket for the Rotrex and plan to run it myself. I wish I were on the west coast this month to join everyone at Laguna.

Cool, glad to see Rotrex kits again... I remember hearing about this a while ago but figured it had died out. Maybe a dumb question (FI noob here), but are there going to be kits compatible with standalone ECUs available?

There will non CARB exempt "race" kits without piggyback controller and without piggy and intercooler/piping.

Nice, and just when I was running out of things to blow money on... :D

So has anyone done a ride-along?

I did with the race kit on 95R... As there were a long list of people trying to get ride-alongs they were only doing two laps.

In summary.. Power... Everywhere..! With the 6 speed/3.9 combo (corrected per Emilio's post below) you can pretty much go around the track in 5th gear and do it at a very fast clip too - turn 1 is an actual turn in this car. It just goes and has a super seamless power delivery; just feels like a much bigger engined car. Even sounds like a N/A engine too. Very very impressive..

I really wanna see what the cost is going to be. If I can have a reliable 190-210whp with a nice torque curve that is CARB legal, easy to install, and cheaper than 3 grand I will be very happy.

We were just talking about this with the MT crew on Friday: if the above is true, many of us turbo folks might actually consider one believe it or not.

But I seriously doubt it.

I hope you are wrong in your doubts! A kit like that would void my search for a MSM... So come on JR!

Deviate has a 6 speed x 3.9 with our tuned OS Giken

Cheaper than 3 grand? Yeah right, the rotrex head units are well above 1k each themselves. Look at their other offerings. 5k for the CARB tune rotrex on the FRS/BRZ. I expect $3500 minimum.

That being said, if Jackson gets a price out there quickly, I just might have to not sell my NB in favor of an NC and go with this. I 've wanted a rotrex for years, but Kraftwerks sucks, as I'm sure emilio himself will attest.

One can hope I suppose. For me, if they come out with a kit that fits my specs above for less than 3k, I will buy as soon as it comes out. Less than 4k, probably still buy. More than 4k would be a hard sell.

Well, for instance, the piggyback non CARB kraftwerks kit is 4k, so unless Jackson gets really competitive, then plan on 4k.

Price will make or break this for 99% of the people on this forum. Well that and if it actually works well.

CARB stickers are not cheap to get on a kit. If you want to live in a State with heavy taxes and regulation then you better be prepared to pay to play.

IDGAF abt CARB since I live in SE NM and I live in a county with zero emissions crap. The only kit I want is the bracket, blower, and possibly the piping/intercooler, if it supports enough power. I will source my own injectors and go ms3. So maybe a kit for me might be 3k, but all the other money spent to get it running will make the total cost much more.

This is my third year tracking my car. The only thing I worry about is consumables. Everybody that rides in or drives my car likes it.

Big grip kit + Rotrex kit is an easy way to a fast car.

The ecu-controlled wastegate has me thinking about C30-94 now...

That is what Jackson Racing is doing on the BRZ. It goes a long way to satisfy those who want more midrange out of the Rotrex.

They are focused on getting the CARB kits "in a box" as Oscar likes to say. The final fiddling with BOM, instructions and whatnot. The CARB kits are far and away more popular than non-CARB hardware. We have discussed the other stuff and I think they will have a similarly modular approach as they do with the Honda and 86 stuff.

This is how they have done the kits for other cars:

TIY = Tune It Yourself. Kit with out the fuel management and CARB cert
Race kit = Blower, bracket, pulleys, and ancillary Rotrex hardware. No piping or I/C

The standard I/C on the CARB kit is good for more boost HP if you get a TIY. How much more depends on your build, fuel, etc. We talked about a bigger I/C as an option for the TIY customers but that will be decided after the CARB kits are shipping in a few months.

The Rotrex C30-74 supercharger only is $2195. That's just the blower itself, the little Setrab cooler, reservoir and oil filter. That's $500-700 more than a turbo with the same build quality, efficiency and CFM.

Turbo for track means hand built manifold, DP and a bunch of hardlines. Rotrex means a bracket from Jackson Racing. The rest of the cost items end up pretty similar. The Rotrex is just so much easier to set up and tune. It's way more difficult to add power steering to a manual car

Speaking of power steering. Will the race kit work with power steering? Or is a 6 rib belt mandatory?

The race kit is just the standard 4 rib blower/bracket/pulley arrangement so its fully compatible with P/S & A/C. Just select the right drop down option to get the correct belt length. The 6 rib option will not be compatible with P/S or A/C.

FWIW we ran all weekend, 10x 25 min sessions shifting at 8000 rpm on the front straight and never touched the belt. No dust, no visible wear, no noticeable slip. A 6 rib will simply last longer. The Rotrex requires about half the power to drive as a roots type, uses larger diameter pulleys and has almost 300° of belt wrap so it's very easy on belts. No more need to keep a spare belt in the trunk than you would for P/S or alternator.

I have been running the 4 rib belt as well and never had an issue with slippage or breaking. I recently changed it because I upgraded the crank pulley to ATI. Otherwise it's a non issue.

I am glad to see the Rotrex is being revived. It's been a perfect combination for me. It was never a product issue rather a Kraftwerks issue. Now that's behind us I hope Emilio and Oscar can take the Rotrex to the next level.

For those who feel the Rotrex is soft on the bottom end can address it by speeding up the blower and bleeding off boost in the upper RPM's to protect your stock motor. There are a few ways to do this depending on how your car is configured. For those CARB compliant kits I think your hands will be tied to whatever was approved.

Word is they are targeting $4k +/- for the complete Factory Tuned (CARB) kits. Last I heard they think they can have kits shipping by January at the latest.

Must find bank to rob.
At least 4k is better than 5k... right?

4k including the piggyback stuff? If so, that sounds like a really solid deal.

Price that bitch at $3,999 with the PnP kit and I might have to spend some money... Any word on power targets? I really hope for above or right around 200hp/tq.

Thats not terrible at all. IIRC I paid $3300 before taxes & shipping with the non intercooled super barebones KW kit back in 2011.

If I was in the market for some boost right now, this is what I would be looking at:

Bell S3 w/2560: $3,549
200~ish HP, intercooled, NO MANAGEMENT, no CARB.
(Add $700-800 for an MS3 $ WBo2 or $1,500 for Xede + injectors to make it driveable)

FM Voodoo II w/2560: $3,345
200~ish HP, intercooled, Voodoo box, no CARB

FFS MP62: $4,695
200~ish HP, ECool™, Powercard(s), CARB EO# D-617

(All Numbers Estimates)
Jackson Racing C30-74: $4,000 +/-
200~ish HP, intercooled, DFC box/card, CARB EO# D-700-4

The HP numbers are all estimates based on what we all know is the top end of the stock injectors and manufacturers advertised claims. Evaluating the kits as shipped its a tie between FFS & BEGI as to who is the biggest loser here when it comes to $/hp, with FM coming out on top. JR kit is somewhere in the middle. (Having owned a rotrex I would give it mad bonus points for ease of installation but I'm not factoring that in)

As for upgradeability, (assuming the same supporting mods) I'd call it a tie between the FM and JR offerings depending on your goals. Both the 2560 and the C30-74 are going to be just fine at 250~260hp, but much beyond that and you are going to want a disco or a 2871 to maintain your top end. As we've seen the -74 is still capable of flowing more than you'll actually want on the top end.

If you absolutely need a CARB#, the JR Rotrex kit is the obvious winner.

the ffs is 4700?!!!!!!


seriously?:hsugh:

*edit: just checked. yep. wowwwwwww

Gotta pay to play with fancy 5th injector technology....:party:

As a Califernein who needed CARB, now you understand why I ponied up for the rotrex from KW and why I was so flaming hot when the carb cert never happened.

All the kits, NA6, NA8, NB1, NB2 will be at least a 50% power increase over OEM. Those are current projections, not final numbers.

Going to start saving the dollars now...

So in the 180's for my 94? Ehh. Well I mean if it is easy to control the wastegate/blow-off thingy with a megasquirt I suppose I could just buy the kit, get the CARB EO, slap on a MS and have a reliable 200 whp that would pass inspection :).

I think that's what a lot of folks will do for OBD1 cars. CARB kit + MSPNP2 + MTX WB02.

This is pretty much exactly what I'm thinking of doing. I'm actually thinking of going back to a 1.6 with this kit simply for the ease of passing emissions on a regular basis.

1994 miata for the win ;)

Nice to see these back on the market. Now to decide this or K swap.

Thats a tough call if you are mechanically adept and do not require CARB compliance. K swap costs more but can make about the same power.

Viewed as a $/whp question, the Rotrex comes out slightly ahead. Ease of install is no contest, in favor of Rotrex. Torque, I think a K24 can make 230lbs on gas which is about what we made on E85.

Then there is the possibility of bolting a C30-94 onto a K24. We're already looking at that as a future project. Maybe 400whp and 300lbs tq.

Yeah well I bought the whole car for $650:fawk:

Are there any plans to release a C30-94 kit? With wastegate control that would really have a broad torque curve. Wide open it would be a monster.

No CARB version but the C30-94 bolts right up otherwise. It will be a simple drop down menu option on the race kits.

Just don't tell them that you already have a 1.8 swapped car, and you're planning to swap back to 1.6.

I bet even Emilio will give you a hard time about that lol, just like I do every time we talk.

Heck, Scott will probably ban you if he finds out :giggle:

(PS: don't do it.)

Really going to need a transmission solution at that point. Any plans beside the race only incremental upgrade of gears?

We don't, no. We won't be pursuing a solution for the handful of Miata owners looking for 300lb capacity while retaining street manners for under $4k. There are more owners willing to run dogs and the K swap crew will add to that.

Agreed that the community could use a 300lb syncro box, it just won't be us doing it.

YES that is something we will eventually be test fitting too. You can make 400whp out of a $400 junkyard Accord motor with a lame header.

I'd rather spend time, money, and energy going to the track than having to mess around with too many emissions things.

Besides at least I'm planning on boosting the 1.6 where as i'd likely leave the 1.8 NA if I keep it.

Weight also should be a factor. Superchargers aren't light, while the K swap removes something like 60lbs. Probably a 100lb difference over the front end between the two kits.

Bro, do you even Rotrex? Shipping weight on my entire C30-74 kit was 39lbs

With A/C and P/S removal and the K24 swap, our car dropped over 100 lbs. Its a 2000 and last weigh in was 2278 lbs. Full interior, roll bar, OEM hard top and soft top, race seats and harnesses, no spare tire, and half a tank. Can't complain about that.

That being said, if you are adding weight, I like the idea of adding it in the form of a Rotrex :)

Please stop making this so damned tempting.

Next you'll tell me the Rotrex kit not only comes with a CARB EO but will spontaneously generate kittens as well.

:party:

Not disagreeing that a rotrex isn't worthy weight to add, and I didn't know that rotrex's were so light. The Lysolm 1.2L twin screw on my car weighs ~38lbs by itself and that isn't even including the intercooler, piping, etc. All together my supercharger kit is probably close to or more than 60lbs. Still worth it though :)

No kittens. Just sparkly rainbow baby-unicorn-shaped bubbles out the tailpipe.

I like my Rotrex. It allows me to drive like a hooligan during autocross, and get more seat time on the edge of traction. Occasionally seat time watching the edge of traction part ways with me.