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thasac 05-16-2013 04:02 PM

M-tune reroute sealing question
 
For the heater hose nipple and sensor(s) which is the preferred method:

Teflon tape or teflon paste?

I have the please of doing this with the engine out of the car. I really really really do not want to fix leaks once this engine is in the car. Any other suggestions/tips aside from making sure the t-stat seal is seated in the housing?

-Zach

Fireindc 05-16-2013 04:36 PM

The begi reroute recommended permatex. i used the original permatex, which is permatex 1.

NO IDEA how it seals yet, but i'd be very surprised if it leaked from anywhere i sealed with this shit.

Leafy 05-16-2013 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1012421)
The begi reroute recommended permatex. i used the original permatex, which is permatex 1.

NO IDEA how it seals yet, but i'd be very surprised if it leaked from anywhere i sealed with this shit.

I know on my begi, the only place it doesnt leak is the threads where I used teflon tape. Just made sure to not put them on the first couple so its less likely to get pulled into the coolant system. But, Fuck the paper gaskets sideways with a circular saw blade.

Fireindc 05-16-2013 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1012423)
I know on my begi, the only place it doesnt leak is the threads where I used teflon tape. Just made sure to not put them on the first couple so its less likely to get pulled into the coolant system. But, Fuck the paper gaskets sideways with a circular saw blade.

I'm pretty damn sure I wont have any issues with the permatex, those threads were sealed and the stuff hardens up quite a bit when it dries. Plus it's made for shit like that.

The paper gaskets on the other hand you have me concerned about. I didn't put any RTV or anything on them, and torqued them tight and evenly as recommended.

I'll be so angry if they leak, lol. Such a PITA to get back there.

hornetball 05-16-2013 07:37 PM

I used Permatex thread sealant. I also used dry Mazda OEM thermostat gaskets on both sides of the BEGI spacer. Torqued evenly by the book. No leaks whatsoever.

EO2K 05-17-2013 01:18 PM

I stopped using parts store gaskets a while ago. I've NEVER had a "stick-on" gasket ever work properly on any application I've ever been unfortunate enough to try it on.


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1012497)
I also used dry Mazda OEM thermostat gaskets on both sides of the BEGI spacer

+1 on OEM Mazda gaskets too. If I'm feeling particularly saucy, Permatex RTV (or Hylomar) FTW

shuiend 05-17-2013 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1012745)
I stopped using parts store gaskets a while ago. I've NEVER had a "stick-on" gasket ever work properly on any application I've ever been unfortunate enough to try it on.



+1 on OEM Mazda gaskets too. If I'm feeling particularly saucy, Permatex RTV (or Hylomar) FTW

I am using Fel Pro gaskets for both sides of my BEGI spacer and have not had any issues. They were not stick on ones though, just a pain in the ass to get all aligned behind the head with the engine in the car.

Fireindc 05-17-2013 03:17 PM

I figured if BEGI included them in their kit, then they should work. I probably shouldn't assume. Time will tell, hopefully getting her running this weekend.

rleete 05-17-2013 04:39 PM

For threads, tape. Easier, less messy, seals better.

For gaskets, I always use Indian Head shellac. Dad used it for years, never any problems, so I continued with what works. One bottle will last you a lifetime.

psyber_0ptix 05-17-2013 04:43 PM

The instruction says to use teflon tape for the ports... however the barb with an o-ring....nothing was mentioned

http://www.949racing.com/mtuned/M-Tu...route_Inst.pdf

z31maniac 05-21-2013 06:38 AM

Paste. Everywhere we tried Teflon tape didn't take long to start leaking. Paste has been good after multiple track days.

YMMV

psyber_0ptix 05-21-2013 09:27 AM

Teflon paste? I forgot that stuff existed. Good call...

hornetball 05-21-2013 09:58 AM

That's what the Permatex thread sealant is.

baron340 05-21-2013 10:41 AM

Just to throw another opinion in, I've been using some yellow goop sold for sealing steam pipes I picked up at Lowes. Sort of like the teflon paste but says it's designed for high heat applications, and stays fairly soft for a very long time. I've never had a problem with it leaking on coolant or oil ports.

As for the gaskets, I just used autoparts store paper gaskets with a thin layer of RTV and haven't ever had a problem. I've always used this approach for all coolant system paper gaskets.

EO2K 05-21-2013 02:28 PM

2 Attachment(s)

Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1013892)
That's what the Permatex thread sealant is.

This stuff?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369160910
I friggin' love this stuff.


Originally Posted by baron340 (Post 1013906)
Just to throw another opinion in, I've been using some yellow goop sold for sealing steam pipes I picked up at Lowes. Sort of like the teflon paste but says it's designed for high heat applications, and stays fairly soft for a very long time. I've never had a problem with it leaking on coolant or oil ports.

I used to use the version of this yellow stuff that comes on a roll. It's the only thing I've seen that specifically states that its oil/water/fuel safe, other than the above sealant. Looks like this:

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-1337912...17_2228_336324

Works great, but I prefer the Permatex product on anything other than stainless these days. For stainless, I still use the tape. There seems to be far less galling on SS threads

hornetball 05-21-2013 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1014006)
This stuff?

Yep.

Fireindc 05-21-2013 04:13 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I used this stuff:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1369167189

Will report back when the car has seen some miles. Seems like it sealed good though from looking at it, lol.

rleete 05-21-2013 09:03 PM

Fireindc, that's the equivalent of the Indian Head shellac. Different brand is all.


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