May be a stupid question
But why would you stroke an engine and maintain a low compression ratio? Don't you stroke an engine to increase the compression ratio? I'm not kidding, I really want to know why.:confused:
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stroking is just adding more displacement, stroking alone will increase compression ratio but there's ways to keep it down. even with the lower compression ratio the longer stroke will make more torque. more torque helps spool turbos faster
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It's a way to increase displacement. You can only increase the circumference (over bore) of the cylinder to a point. Shave off too much, the block can loose strength, and possibly deform under load.
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OK, I went back to school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement So the compression ratio would be adjusted with the shape of the top of the piston in relation to the top of the cylinder to keep it low when stroking to increase displacement. Seems to make sense. Guess an old dog can learn; sometimes:eek: |
Okay, next question, why are you asking about stroking an engine? Is there something that you're not telling us you sly dog? :)
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No, I was sitting with a friend the other day wondering why you would want to stroke a turbo engine. In the old days (like the Jurassic period) we would have an engine bored to increase displacement and stroked or the head shaved to increase compression.
It was foreign to me why you would want to increase compression on a turbo engine, not thinking about just doing it for displacement when you couldn't bore it any further or not wanting to add heavier(read larger diameter) pistons. Remember, my days of engine technology come from big iron blocks. |
well isnt there a place in our hearts for a high compression low boost setup :)
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as long as you could still use pump gas i wouldn't mind one
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i stroke my engine every day :gay:
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Originally Posted by Oscar
(Post 87699)
i stroke my engine every day :gay:
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Don't forget all the fun math involved with piston speeds and ideal stroke ratios....
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Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 87725)
Don't forget all the fun math involved with piston speeds and ideal stroke ratios....
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Originally Posted by Arkmage
(Post 87772)
and flame front speed when you start boring....
Isn't it fun? |
The reason for lower compression ratio is turbo's prefer lower comp. You can run higher boost.
Where as on a NA motor higher comp. is better for more HP |
Originally Posted by gwilo
(Post 87797)
The reason for lower compression ratio is turbo's prefer lower comp. You can run higher boost.
Where as on a NA motor higher comp. is better for more HP People run low compression because it makes tuning the car that much easier. It's just easier to up the boost some... to make up for the loss of power with lower compression. |
stroking an engine does not mean the compression will be higher.
You can add more cc by enlarging the bore, but thats not stroking. Stroking is to machine a custom crankshaft with custom shorter rods so that the cilinder goes deeper into the block. The cylinder will maintain the normal top level.(fm stroker kit) You are increasing stroke, not bore. I now some people that work there oem crankshaft so the new rod bearring will be smaller. You need to shave the crank towards the outside. You try to get more stroke so youll need smaller rodbearrings and shorter rods. 3mm shave equals 6mm displacement. That makes a 1840cc miata an 1904 cc (as you see english is not my main language) |
Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 87813)
Turbo's prefer as much compression as you can get. But the knock threshold and such becomes more dangerous with higher compression.
People run low compression because it makes tuning the car that much easier. It's just easier to up the boost some... to make up for the loss of power with lower compression. |
stroking alone will increase compression(more swept volume into the the same size combustion chamber), as mentioned before there are measures you can take to tailor you compression as needed
Originally Posted by greddymx5
(Post 88203)
stroking an engine does not mean the compression will be higher.
You can add more cc by enlarging the bore, but thats not stroking. Stroking is to machine a custom crankshaft with custom shorter rods so that the cilinder goes deeper into the block. The cylinder will maintain the normal top level.(fm stroker kit) You are increasing stroke, not bore. I now some people that work there oem crankshaft so the new rod bearring will be smaller. You need to shave the crank towards the outside. You try to get more stroke so youll need smaller rodbearrings and shorter rods. 3mm shave equals 6mm displacement. That makes a 1840cc miata an 1904 cc (as you see english is not my main language) |
Stroking an engine is not something you can easely do.
True, if you compres more air youll have more compression... Of course you can do anything to keep the compression lower (domed pistons) Moving the lower pistonrings under the (where the rod meets the piston) dowel pins???????? (dont know the name) Exotic stuf.... Now find someone who makes a custem stroker for cheap that can handle up to 30psi (3 bar map sensor) |
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