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olderguy 02-27-2007 11:24 PM

May be a stupid question
 
But why would you stroke an engine and maintain a low compression ratio? Don't you stroke an engine to increase the compression ratio? I'm not kidding, I really want to know why.:confused:

Mach929 02-27-2007 11:38 PM

stroking is just adding more displacement, stroking alone will increase compression ratio but there's ways to keep it down. even with the lower compression ratio the longer stroke will make more torque. more torque helps spool turbos faster

Ben 02-27-2007 11:47 PM

It's a way to increase displacement. You can only increase the circumference (over bore) of the cylinder to a point. Shave off too much, the block can loose strength, and possibly deform under load.

olderguy 02-27-2007 11:51 PM

OK, I went back to school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement

So the compression ratio would be adjusted with the shape of the top of the piston in relation to the top of the cylinder to keep it low when stroking to increase displacement.

Seems to make sense. Guess an old dog can learn; sometimes:eek:

brgracer 02-28-2007 08:12 AM

Okay, next question, why are you asking about stroking an engine? Is there something that you're not telling us you sly dog? :)

olderguy 02-28-2007 09:00 AM

No, I was sitting with a friend the other day wondering why you would want to stroke a turbo engine. In the old days (like the Jurassic period) we would have an engine bored to increase displacement and stroked or the head shaved to increase compression.

It was foreign to me why you would want to increase compression on a turbo engine, not thinking about just doing it for displacement when you couldn't bore it any further or not wanting to add heavier(read larger diameter) pistons.

Remember, my days of engine technology come from big iron blocks.

VRTSid 02-28-2007 11:29 AM

well isnt there a place in our hearts for a high compression low boost setup :)

Mach929 02-28-2007 11:50 AM

as long as you could still use pump gas i wouldn't mind one

Oscar 02-28-2007 11:58 AM

i stroke my engine every day :gay:

turbored 02-28-2007 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 87699)
i stroke my engine every day :gay:

you sir, need a white jacket and a padded room. :ugh2:

Splitime 02-28-2007 12:41 PM

Don't forget all the fun math involved with piston speeds and ideal stroke ratios....

Arkmage 02-28-2007 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 87725)
Don't forget all the fun math involved with piston speeds and ideal stroke ratios....

and flame front speed when you start boring....

Splitime 02-28-2007 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Arkmage (Post 87772)
and flame front speed when you start boring....

Then piston design and head chamber design come into play alot too.

Isn't it fun?

gwilo 02-28-2007 02:46 PM

The reason for lower compression ratio is turbo's prefer lower comp. You can run higher boost.

Where as on a NA motor higher comp. is better for more HP

Splitime 02-28-2007 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by gwilo (Post 87797)
The reason for lower compression ratio is turbo's prefer lower comp. You can run higher boost.

Where as on a NA motor higher comp. is better for more HP

Turbo's prefer as much compression as you can get. But the knock threshold and such becomes more dangerous with higher compression.

People run low compression because it makes tuning the car that much easier.

It's just easier to up the boost some... to make up for the loss of power with lower compression.

greddymx5 03-01-2007 06:41 PM

stroking an engine does not mean the compression will be higher.
You can add more cc by enlarging the bore, but thats not stroking.
Stroking is to machine a custom crankshaft with custom shorter rods so that the cilinder goes deeper into the block. The cylinder will maintain the normal top level.(fm stroker kit)
You are increasing stroke, not bore.
I now some people that work there oem crankshaft so the new rod bearring will be smaller. You need to shave the crank towards the outside.
You try to get more stroke so youll need smaller rodbearrings and shorter rods.
3mm shave equals 6mm displacement. That makes a 1840cc miata an 1904 cc

(as you see english is not my main language)

gwilo 03-01-2007 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 87813)
Turbo's prefer as much compression as you can get. But the knock threshold and such becomes more dangerous with higher compression.

People run low compression because it makes tuning the car that much easier.

It's just easier to up the boost some... to make up for the loss of power with lower compression.

That exactly what I said but you said it much better. :)

Mach929 03-01-2007 08:20 PM

stroking alone will increase compression(more swept volume into the the same size combustion chamber), as mentioned before there are measures you can take to tailor you compression as needed


Originally Posted by greddymx5 (Post 88203)
stroking an engine does not mean the compression will be higher.
You can add more cc by enlarging the bore, but thats not stroking.
Stroking is to machine a custom crankshaft with custom shorter rods so that the cilinder goes deeper into the block. The cylinder will maintain the normal top level.(fm stroker kit)
You are increasing stroke, not bore.
I now some people that work there oem crankshaft so the new rod bearring will be smaller. You need to shave the crank towards the outside.
You try to get more stroke so youll need smaller rodbearrings and shorter rods.
3mm shave equals 6mm displacement. That makes a 1840cc miata an 1904 cc

(as you see english is not my main language)


greddymx5 03-04-2007 07:44 PM

Stroking an engine is not something you can easely do.
True, if you compres more air youll have more compression...
Of course you can do anything to keep the compression lower (domed
pistons) Moving the lower pistonrings under the (where the rod meets the piston) dowel pins???????? (dont know the name)

Exotic stuf....
Now find someone who makes a custem stroker for cheap that can handle up to 30psi (3 bar map sensor)


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