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Chris Swearingen 02-12-2008 07:53 AM

Mechanical Solution to wheel hop?
 
Last weekends event was a little cold (40s) on an asphault lot. We got pretty bad wheel hop on a couple of the starts. I know we can launch softer and be okay. I am not looking for "put wheelie bars on that bad boy" kind of suggestions, but, short of that I am pretty open. It's an autocross car, so wrinkle wall slicks are out as well.

You may have seen my EMU launch control thread, still getting quarter second pulses so thats not going to be the silver bullet either.

Anyone have the solution?

ZX-Tex 02-12-2008 09:40 AM

I'm not sure wheelie bars would work anyway. :) Aren't those just for solid rear axles on leaf springs?

Oh wait, I am a dumbass... I was thinking about 'ladder bars'

Kelly 02-12-2008 10:51 AM

Beatrush offers a rear triangle brace that locks the diff to the PPF and body alot better. I ran one for awhile and it all but killed my wheel hop. I also has MS diff mounts and RS Aizawa mount spacers.

BenR 02-12-2008 11:09 AM

Interesting. Any dissadvantages?


http://www.mmmiata.com/images/products/MM147-BRP1.jpg

cjernigan 02-12-2008 11:25 AM

Only disadvantage I can think of is having to get under the car to look at that awesome piece of work.

Chris Swearingen 02-12-2008 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 213003)
Only disadvantage I can think of is having to get under the car to look at that awesome piece of work.

I like that thing. Can you post a link to the source?

I need to get a clarification on the SM/2 rules and want to reference it.

The rules say

Originally Posted by Rule Book
Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these
allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of
16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall
serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting
(e.g. they may not provide chassis stiffening).

Since there is already a brace from side to side that this replaces the only stiffing it could provide would be to the differential and PF but since those both attach to the chassis via rubber mounts I think it's legal. Of course that's what I want to think. Any other opinions?

BenR 02-12-2008 11:56 AM

http://www.mmmiata.com

Braineack 02-12-2008 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by BenR (Post 212998)


yep this is what id suggest along with solid mounts.

IcantDo55 02-12-2008 01:35 PM

And than prepare for gear noise. My RX-7 had a diff mounted to the floor and that biatch was loud!

BenR 02-12-2008 02:10 PM

I'd rather have more gear noise than broken ring gear.

IcantDo55 02-12-2008 02:25 PM

Actually it broke an axle shaft.

M-Tuned 02-12-2008 03:25 PM

I'm thinking about having ETD making me a set of traction bars similar to what they use on the FWD Honda's. Probably will attempt it in the spring.

Marlond 02-12-2008 04:14 PM

i still have wheel hop with mazdaspeed mounts, are polyurethane ones any better

soflarick 02-12-2008 04:25 PM

Does that Beatrush setup include reinforcements going the length of the car, or just the triangular brace? What is it made of? Does it increase NVH significantly?

j_man 02-12-2008 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 213030)
yep this is what id suggest along with solid mounts.

stiff mounts and he'll be braking the differential housing every few months. the mounting arms is so fragile that the prepped CSP Miatas do it quite often even with 140 lbs/ft of torque ...

he better carries a spare differential housing all the time - he'll need it

j_man 02-12-2008 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Swearingen (Post 213015)
The rules say

Since there is already a brace from side to side that this replaces the only stiffing it could provide would be to the differential and PF but since those both attach to the chassis via rubber mounts I think it's legal. Of course that's what I want to think. Any other opinions?

I doubt you'll get away with this being legal

JustJake 02-12-2008 06:02 PM

In CSP you can't add any additional metal, Sm I don't know..

rappadan 02-12-2008 07:02 PM

i have mmr's engine and diff mounts. And i still wheel hop.If you have old saucy bushings they could be enough to make it wheel hop. I'd say replace all your bushings....

Markp 02-12-2008 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Swearingen (Post 212904)
Last weekends event was a little cold (40s) on an asphault lot. We got pretty bad wheel hop on a couple of the starts. I know we can launch softer and be okay. I am not looking for "put wheelie bars on that bad boy" kind of suggestions, but, short of that I am pretty open. It's an autocross car, so wrinkle wall slicks are out as well.

You may have seen my EMU launch control thread, still getting quarter second pulses so thats not going to be the silver bullet either.

Anyone have the solution?

removing the rear sway seems to help!

Mark

Chris Swearingen 02-12-2008 08:25 PM

New Superpro bushings, and the swaybar has been disconnected for a year. My new codriver is just getting used to the car, so I was looking for ways to make launching easier for him.


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