miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something)
01-30-2015, 04:29 PM
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I'd expect mid-30 MPG combined, minimum, with conservative driving. People get that with the current Mazda 3's which are lighter but also have less drivetrain drag because FWD.
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01-30-2015, 05:28 PM
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Is it sadder than I'm more excited about seeing how the new version of the 2 is wih the skyactiv than I am the mx5?
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01-30-2015, 10:30 PM
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
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01-30-2015, 11:04 PM
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
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01-31-2015, 12:35 AM
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These numbers are surprising to me. Mazda said the motor would be tuned specifically for the miata but this is showing a direct drop in from the 3 on 87 octane. Wouldn't they at least release it with the 91 octane tune from Europe that puts out a little more power or tune it for 93 octane and breach 170hp? I am confused.
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01-31-2015, 12:49 AM
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A lot of people (not necessarily on this site) are defending this weak-sauce engine spec with the usual "if you can't go fast with 50 hp, then 500 isn't going to help you" aphorism. I'm sure the ND, whatever the power level, will make a fantastic arrive-and-drive track day car. Undoubtedly, it will likewise acquit itself well on any random back road - until you have the need to pass someone who doesn't particularly feel like being passed.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
I swear, my decision to add abnormal aspiration was cemented during an otherwise lovely drive through the Redwood Forest in Northern California. I was driving my brother's '97 (already more powerful than my '93 L.E.) and we were stuck behind some dipshit on a Harley. He had more than enough power to leave us on the abbreviated straight-aways, but would literally idle through any and all corners. Now, with unholy amounts of power on tap, people like that become somewhat amusing moving chicanes and my blood pressure has normalized.
Moral of the story: Well, you all know what the moral of the story is.
add to that dipshits on track who don't understand the concept of waving faster people past. nothing like staring at them while passing to see the disbelief on their faces. god bless boost.
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01-31-2015, 02:23 AM
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I think you're looking at it backwards. I think many more people would consider the Miata if it offered Mustang level if acceleration. Maybe not standard, but they DO have that neat little Mazdaspeed brand....
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01-31-2015, 03:44 AM
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I want to know what is different about the 2.0 in the ND from the 3. I don't know if the 7500 redline mentioned in the reviews is also for the 2.0, but with the power rating not changing, it must be a straight drop-in, with the only changes being to fit it longitudinally.
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01-31-2015, 10:23 AM
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The torque curve I've seen for the 3's SkyActive tune is falling off a cliff by 6K. I just don't see how that tune is appropriate for a Miata. It also means that a whole bunch of power should be available with some attention paid to high-RPM breathing. The low-end grunt from the SkyActive should be eye-opening compared to previous Miata engines.
BTW, I love how everyone still calls it a Miata almost 10 years after Mazda tried to kill that name. They should embrace it.
BTW, I love how everyone still calls it a Miata almost 10 years after Mazda tried to kill that name. They should embrace it.
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01-31-2015, 02:55 PM
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I suspect the "specially tuned for the Miata" stuff applies to the 1.5, because it's ~ 20 hp up on the 1.5 used in other Mazdas, whereas the 2.0 specs are the same as the one in the Mazda3. Perhaps they spent the currently available budget on the 1.5 and will be cranking out an improved 2.0 in a subsequent year?
As for price, it hasn't really changed. It's called inflation.
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01-31-2015, 05:15 PM
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Road & Track First Drive
From the article, it sounds like the car should be spectacular. I've been reading Jack Baruth for years, and he's normally a no BS kind of writer. As a racing instructor, as well as having raced in the Skip Barber Miata series, I'd like to believe that if he says the car drives well, it does.
More power would be nice, though.
From the article, it sounds like the car should be spectacular. I've been reading Jack Baruth for years, and he's normally a no BS kind of writer. As a racing instructor, as well as having raced in the Skip Barber Miata series, I'd like to believe that if he says the car drives well, it does.
More power would be nice, though.
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