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rleete 03-20-2008 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by tann3r (Post 230605)
I think rleete was refering to Dzus fasteners.

Yes, that's the type of thing I was thinking. But, Dzus is a brand; one among several. I mostly use Southco at work, but they're all pretty much the same.

McMaster-Carr sells them. Can also get them through other places, but I'm not sure if you can find them in the average auto parts store.

m2cupcar 03-20-2008 09:11 AM

I think it's great. If it becomes a hassle to remove, then change it later. Now get some data and show us it works! ;) btw- I don't think it's a good idea to have your WBO2 sensor point up (past parallel to the ground/chassis)... regardless of who makes it.

JimAtFSU 02-05-2009 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 230670)
Yes, that's the type of thing I was thinking. But, Dzus is a brand; one among several. I mostly use Southco at work, but they're all pretty much the same.

McMaster-Carr sells them. Can also get them through other places, but I'm not sure if you can find them in the average auto parts store.

What sort of fasteners are these? I have a desk job so I'm not familiar with the terminology.

m2cupcar 02-05-2009 10:43 AM

http://www.ec.erau.edu/cce/centers/e.../Amt240/dz.gif

pdexta 02-05-2009 10:50 AM

Very nice, I like it.

icantthink4155 02-05-2009 12:11 PM

I have a few questions about undertrays.

1. Is plastic really the best material to use? Doesnt it get hot in that area?

2. Is this -only- to to increase the effectiveness of the radiator/cooling system?

3. Does it noticably reduce drag?

4. What is the rear-most part of the undertray connected to?

5. What, if any, are other noticeable effects of the undertray?

Would these work to hold it on if they are fit tight?
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/M/3045-2006.JPG
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro....asp?RecID=779



BTW sorry to thread-jack.

Emberghost 02-07-2009 11:47 PM

I would like to know and see some data about reduced drag and more efficient cooling as well. Looks like it would be a fun project. Have you guys ever considered putting a triangular shaped piece in front of the front wheels to curve it around them? I read some article about trays and this on a prius and I think I remember something like 33% of the drag in the front is from your front wheels. If you have a splitter does the undertray still help reduce drag?

Found the article here, you guys should check it out. It's definitely a cool read.

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ctxspy 07-03-2009 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by icantthink4155 (Post 363793)
1. Is plastic really the best material to use? Doesnt it get hot in that area?

I'm also curious about this... i googled and found this:
ABS Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene

Indicates melting point is a little over 200 degrees F which isn't really out of the question is it? especially if the tray ends up in contaact with some hot pipe or something?

Another site says maximum "service temperature" is 185 degrees.. Wikipedia says the heat from a "wood fire" can cause it to boil and light up in a spectacular way :eek:

I need to build an undertray soon to, but i'm wondering if there's a different material more suitable. Aside from the sharp edges, what's the downside to aluminum?

-Tomaj

Efini~FC3S 07-05-2009 05:22 PM

I've had no problem with my ABS undertray. It doesn't come in contact with any really hot parts but it is close to the downpipe. I haven't noticed any heat damage to the tray though.

Duckie_uk 07-05-2009 06:46 PM

Back on to the subject of the LC-1. I thought that you weren't supposed to mount them below horizontal otherwise moisture would condense and ruin the sensor. Just something to think about if you can rotate that pipe.

Not to mention it would increase the clearance for the awesome undertray. I'm definitely putting this on my list of things to do. I like reddroptop's idea of using aluminium but can I justify the extra weight or more importantly the extra cost!!

Chapman 07-06-2009 02:40 AM

isn't the stock undertray abs? I use an abs one I made also and haven't had problems.

Efini~FC3S 07-07-2009 06:47 PM

It's not an LC-1. It's a PLX M300. Either way it probably shouldn't be mounted like that, bummer too bad...

Seems to be working fine and I have more pressing issues...

ZX-Tex 07-07-2009 10:13 PM

ABS is commonly used for under the hood applications. In fact I am making my undertray/splitter/ducting out of ABS right now as well. I plan on posting pictures when it is complete.

ABS is also what most factory sport bike body panels are made out of; they see a lot of heat too. Typically there is only a couple of inches between a body panel and the engine and/or exhaust.

ctxspy 07-07-2009 10:16 PM

good to hear.. I'm currently waiting on some silicone for my new intake tract, then comes the cold air box. After that, undertray :facepalm:

Laur3ns 09-17-2009 05:02 PM

So, how does it perform?

triple88a 09-17-2009 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 455332)
So, how does it perform?

:withstupid:

I love that smiley :)

but all the fairing on the sports bikes are made from abs as well. Matter of fact my old Ninja had less than a finger clearance (less than 1/2") between the pipes and the fairing and it never got burned.

icantthink4155 09-17-2009 09:12 PM

[QUOTE=ZX-Tex;427833I plan on posting pictures when it is complete.
[/QUOTE]

Anything come of that statement?

ZX-Tex 09-17-2009 09:24 PM

Yeah sorry been busy dealing with the engine rebuild and the LS1 car. The splitter is in and working great. I have had it over 100 mph and it stayed put. I'll get some pictures up as soon as I can.

I will also be making another one for the LS1 car soon. That one will be track tested, and will be larger as well, with more forward protrusion.

triple88a 09-17-2009 10:13 PM

ZX-Tex, are you also planning on having the splitter stick out or will it just line up with the bumper? Also will the bottom part of it be from the same piece or will they be cut separately (like splitter made from 1/4" abs and 1/8" for the undertray)?

ZX-Tex 09-17-2009 11:02 PM


ZX-Tex, are you also planning on having the splitter stick out or will it just line up with the bumper?
The one I have finished on the street car sticks out about 2" from the bottom of the bumper. It looks good IMO for a street car, not too excessive. The one for the track car will probably stick out an inch more.


Also will the bottom part of it be from the same piece or will they be cut separately (like splitter made from 1/4" abs and 1/8" for the undertray)?
It is the same piece all the way back to the front edge of the wheel well. After that, the stock undertray takes over, cut to fit.


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