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urgaynknowit 07-05-2008 08:57 PM

need new clutch
 
ok,

good news, got dynoed at 10psi

made 189 hp 172tq


problem is,

my clutch was rated for 160-170 hp

clutch is now slipping,,, with only 6 months on it.............


sooooooooooooooooo




long story short,

i need a new clutch, dont care about price, keeping the flywheel i have

so what do u guys suggest?

post up links and tell me why

bryantaylor 07-05-2008 09:12 PM

XTD 6-puc from ebay with a different TO bearing.

/thread

urgaynknowit 07-05-2008 09:13 PM

r u serious?

fine then
its between these two right now

xtd http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XTR-S...spagenameZWDVW

act http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-C...spagenameZWD1V

reddroptop 07-05-2008 09:22 PM

ACT, You already went with a garbage clutch once, why do the same shit over again?

bryantaylor 07-05-2008 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by urgaynknowit (Post 279508)
r u serious?

yep. has held perfect from day one. holds 14psi flat shifts no problem. but my TO came apart a week or so after i installed it. replaced it with a all metal one and has been nothing but great, and its CHEAP!!!!

urgaynknowit 07-05-2008 09:42 PM

yea, my ebay throw out went in about 3 months, how long have u had this clutch in your car?

cardriverx 07-05-2008 09:50 PM

Ive used a very similar clutch to the xtd (F1 racing) 6 puck. Worked great goin on like 5 months, holds 14 psi with launches and flatshifts.

naarleven 07-05-2008 09:56 PM

Man its not a huge difference, just get an ACT.

Peace of mind is worth a lot more than money.

bryantaylor 07-05-2008 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by naarleven (Post 279524)
Man its not a huge difference, just get an ACT.

Peace of mind is worth a lot more than money.

over double the price is not a big difference?

naarleven 07-05-2008 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 279528)
over double the price is not a big difference?

Maybe thats a statement based on situation, but when it comes to relatively integral parts of a setup that can pass or fail based purely on design & materials, I would rather pay more money.

bryantaylor 07-05-2008 11:04 PM

its just ceramic and steel. it either works or it doesn't . me and other people have show the ebay clutches work great.

mike_671 07-05-2008 11:08 PM

189 at 10psi? Thought it would be better. Well then again theres no tune right? You just have the 305cc with a MBC. Plus your timing is at 8* right?

Eric.w313 07-05-2008 11:20 PM

i need clutch too.

cardriverx 07-05-2008 11:27 PM

They are the same freaking thing, the only iffy qualty part about the xtr kit is the throwout bearing. The disc and PP WILL work for a long time and will preform good. So why should I pay double?



http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/5c/aa/77_10.JPG
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ucksprung3.jpg

Pitlab77 07-05-2008 11:41 PM

get a 1.8 flywheel and 1.8 clutch.

ACT HD. It is holding my friends 271 rwhp miata. And its as light as a feather. I was actually shocked that it held.

Bryce 07-06-2008 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by Pitlab77 (Post 279568)
get a 1.8 flywheel and 1.8 clutch.

ACT HD. It is holding my friends 271 rwhp miata. And its as light as a feather. I was actually shocked that it held.

QFMFT!

I myself have the ACT XT and regret not going with the HD.
I'm a big fan of www.carolinaclutch.com

Oh and, crongrats on the power levels!

crashnscar 07-06-2008 11:47 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-RA...spagenameZWDVW

Done. Holding on my car at 14psi. Only thing is that it's essentially a stock pressure plate, I'd prefer a slightly stiffer pedal feel but I'm not gonna complain for $157 shipped.

Of course, I haven't had it on very long, but I am known to drop clutch often and not be very nice.

Braineack 07-06-2008 12:11 PM

where's the dyno plot?

Dhaark 07-06-2008 02:11 PM

If you call me I can get you a clutch that will not come apart... 248-730-5261
Do you have a 1.6 or a 1.8 flywheel?

Vashthestampede 07-06-2008 02:32 PM

4 years on my ACT xtreme. I highly recommended ACT.

Vash-

tronik 07-06-2008 02:41 PM

+1 for act. Personally I have to have an organic, non puck, sprung disk. can't stand shudder, and like to slip engagement. the act pressure plates make it easy to run organic, either HD for mid level or xt for high power, you won't have a problem.

I've heard vague rumblings about act to bearings, so just go with mazda oem.

elesjuan 07-06-2008 03:18 PM

SPEC Stage 3:

http://elesjuan.googlepages.com/CRW_...ze:651,979.jpg

$389.00 and holds 320# of torque. Had one in my Fox Body for a long ass time.

thesnowboarder 07-06-2008 06:57 PM

ACT hd w/ 6 puck here, works great!

Pitlab77 07-06-2008 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 279641)
where's the dyno plot?

In his glove box actually


Tim tuned an '03 S4 with a 3" exhaust today. The car's set up: GT2860RS Internally gated, IC #2, 2.75" Downpipe, 3" Mid pipe (no cat), and 3" Left Exit Exhaust. Other mods are minor and of no consequence, oil catch can, powder coating etc... Owner is going the forged internal route this summer, so we tuned for 13 psi as requested.

Results: 272.46 rwhp, 235.50 ft-lbs. @ 13 psi. Correction factor: STD 1.03 as calculated by the weather station.

Best numbers done with the Xede unit on a Miata so far.
Stephanie

urgaynknowit 07-07-2008 12:03 AM

i have the sheet for 8psi, 166hp 158 tq

i didnt save the 10psi one

urgaynknowit 07-07-2008 12:07 AM

http://www.cimotorsports.net/motor-s...3-stage-4.html


what do u guys think

IcantDo55 07-07-2008 02:03 AM

You get what you pay for with clutches. The time and PITA to pull the tranny is a factor you must count in.

jobambo 07-07-2008 03:05 AM

Since it seems that you want a cheap clutch. Get the Ebay Stage 3 special and be done with it. Thats my plan at least.

Duckie_uk 07-07-2008 04:26 AM

Wow, I'm gonna be ordering my clutch from the states when the stock one fuck's out. The cheapest 6 puck clutch in the UK is about £300 near as makes no difference $600!!

F1racing stage 3 FTW. It's so cheap I dont care if it only lasts a year

miatamoxie 07-07-2008 12:49 PM

For all those who had quickly failing throw out bearings, what brand where the bearings?

Braineack 07-07-2008 12:59 PM

OEM. failed within 40 miles.. POS clutchnet PP.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/clutch/tob_failure001.jpg

http://www.boostedmiata.com/clutch/tob_failure002.jpg

bryantaylor 07-07-2008 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by IcantDo55 (Post 279867)
You get what you pay for with clutches. The time and PITA to pull the tranny is a factor you must count in.

huh? a trans on a miata is cake work. only takes 2 hours to do a clutch in the driveway.

and here is my TO that came apart on mine. but replaced that and all has been great.

http://i27.tinypic.com/6563bt.jpg

cardriverx 07-07-2008 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by urgaynknowit (Post 279833)

You will get alot of shuddering and you will stall the engine alot fo rhte first week with that clutch haha.

mild to wild 07-10-2008 02:00 AM

ok
 
so did you get your new throughtout bearing from mazda ? auto zone where?

18psi 07-10-2008 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by mild to wild (Post 281360)
So did you get your new throw out out bearing from mazda ? Auto zone where?

Learn to spell, and ill bet he got it from your mom.

shuiend 07-10-2008 07:08 AM

Having cahnged Scott's clutch something like 3 times I have to say do not cheap out. I went with an ACT clutch when I needed a new one and it worked the first time. As opposed to Scott who went with a strange ass clutchnet combo and we had to do it multiple times. After that experience I will never buy other then ACT personally.

Braineack 07-10-2008 08:50 AM

yeah yeah yeah.

centerforce DF PP + clutchnet 6-puck = fail

clutchnet 2x PP + clutchnet 6-puck = fail

clutchnet 2x PP + shims + clutchnet 6-puck = fail

ACT HDD PP + clutchnet 6-puck = win




suffice to say, a clutch job is now very easy.

Newbsauce 07-10-2008 09:11 AM

I think if I were doing it again.. I would definitely go with the one that fit the first time (ACT) :)

1redcanuck 07-11-2008 01:49 PM

I see some people having trouble with the XTD bearings. How are the bearings that come with the F1 stage 3 ebay clutch?

Saml01 07-11-2008 02:09 PM

I havent swapped my clutch yet, but when I do it will be for an ACT XTSS.

Right now im running 10psi on the stock clutch and interestingly enough it holds in any gear to redline, unless I misshift into fifth and floor it.

urgaynknowit 07-11-2008 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by 1redcanuck (Post 281934)
I see some people having trouble with the XTD bearings. How are the bearings that come with the F1 stage 3 ebay clutch?

anything that isnt oem bearing, sucks

wes65 07-11-2008 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 281944)
I havent swapped my clutch yet, but when I do it will be for an ACT XTSS.

Right now im running 10psi on the stock clutch and interestingly enough it holds in any gear to redline, unless I misshift into fifth and floor it.

I feel like i miss 3rd every fucking time. I pisses me off. I probably need motor mounts.

1redcanuck 07-11-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by urgaynknowit (Post 281948)
anything that isnt oem bearing, sucks

Can I reuse the old ones?

IcantDo55 07-11-2008 06:49 PM

I got better things to do with two hours of my day. Buy your right some people just like to buy junk...look at that welfare screwdriver you got there.



Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 280317)
huh? a trans on a miata is cake work. only takes 2 hours to do a clutch in the driveway.

and here is my TO that came apart on mine. but replaced that and all has been great.

http://i27.tinypic.com/6563bt.jpg


spike 07-11-2008 07:09 PM

So which is better to use,the TO bearing that comes with the aftermarket clutch or a new OEM TO bearing?

scottv 07-11-2008 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by spike (Post 282088)
So which is better to use,the TO bearing that comes with the aftermarket clutch or a new OEM TO bearing?

I'm curious about this too, because I just got an ACT HD w/6 puck sprung disk and it comes with both a Throw out (ACT brand) and a pilot bearing (NSK brand). Are these ok to use?

bryantaylor 07-12-2008 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by IcantDo55 (Post 282077)
I got better things to do with two hours of my day. Buy your right some people just like to buy junk...look at that welfare screwdriver you got there.

harbor frieght FTW!!

IcantDo55 07-14-2008 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by spike (Post 282088)
So which is better to use,the TO bearing that comes with the aftermarket clutch or a new OEM TO bearing?

Had much better luck with the all metal stock MAZDA part.


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