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elior77 09-18-2013 05:02 PM

New rad + ac, overheating ?
 
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Hey,

Just installed a new Mishimoto rad in my 97 NA, the old stock rad could not hold boosting with ac on I would see temps up to 240F (115C) and then I would turn off the ac.

Even when driving hard with the stock rad and no ac, it would still overheat.

On the trip home with the new rad I noticed that it would still heat up with ac and boosting but much slower, I got up to 212F (100C).

There is still space between the rad and the body, and there is space between the right fan and the rad.

No coolant is missing.
The fans run together.
Fans turn on @ 194F(90C) and off @ 188F(87C).
Ambient @ 86F(30C)
Got IC.

I'm good ?

Thanks

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1379538148

hornetball 09-18-2013 05:08 PM

212 is OK.

A coolant reroute would have made a bigger difference and remains a good idea.

18psi 09-18-2013 05:33 PM

most important thing you didn't mention: shrouding

elior77 09-18-2013 05:50 PM

No shroud, stock fans.

Reroute as an addition right? Not instead of a rad upgrade ?

18psi 09-18-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1054872)
No shroud, stock fans.

Reroute as an addition right? Not instead of a rad upgrade ?

/thread

concealer404 09-18-2013 06:00 PM

Aren't the stock fans on a shroud? They were on my MSM, at least.

elior77 09-18-2013 06:01 PM

No, just bolted to the rad

hornetball 09-18-2013 06:02 PM

What Vlad said (assuming that by no shroud you mean that you've removed or cut big, unsealed holes in the air guide/undertray).

More than likely, had you had decent ducting you would have been fine even with the OEM radiator.

Bigger radiator doesn't hurt anything and a reroute does great things to even out engine temperatures and increase water flow to the radiator (at the expense of water flow to the heater core).

My car is 100% OEM cooling system with ducting in like-new condition and a reroute. I'm cool as a cucumber in 100+ -- including idling in traffic with AC and track days. I do turn the wick down to 5psi for track days though.

concealer404 09-18-2013 06:02 PM

Ah ok.

Well... i wouldn't be worried about those temps. :)

elior77 09-18-2013 06:08 PM

100+C is ok?

I idle @ 90-93C traffic with AC on.

I boost 10-12psi

The stock rad was 3 years old, no way it would hold boost+AC when is is over 30C out side, even without AC it would over hear.

concealer404 09-18-2013 06:08 PM

Well you just said 212F is what you hit. 212F isn't scary.

18psi 09-18-2013 06:09 PM

a radiator doesn't hold boost.
and your issue is lack of airflow that is generated by lack of shrouding (and from your description lack of fan shrouds too)

a 3 year old radiator is actually fairly new

hornetball 09-18-2013 06:12 PM

When I said 100+, I meant it was 40C+ outside. MERICUH!!

elior77 09-18-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1054900)
Well you just said 212F is what you hit. 212F isn't scary.

What is the red line temp ?
At what temp should I set the fans to start?

The rad does not hold boost, but what I mean is that it does not handle the heat @ long boost.

18psi 09-18-2013 06:15 PM

yes it does. over half the people on this site are running the stock radiator which is way way older than 3 years

concealer404 09-18-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elior77 (Post 1054910)
What is the red line temp ?
At what temp should I set the fans to start?

The rad does not hold boost, but what I mean is that it does not handle the heat @ long boost.

I'm not sure what you mean by "red line temp."

I have my fans set progressively. First one on at 195F, second at 210F or when A/C is on, whichever comes first. Off at 185.

elior77 09-18-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1054915)
yes it does. over half the people on this site are running the stock radiator which is way way older than 3 years

With ac? I find it hard to believe.
The AC condenser is all over the rad.
I know people remove the AC system, then it would be more reasonable.

concealer404 09-18-2013 06:23 PM

Until this past May, my car had the original factory radiator in it. Cooled just fine despite being 9 years old.

I only replaced it because the tanks were getting green, which is a bad sign.

18psi 09-18-2013 06:24 PM

:facepalm:

He is literally trying as hard as possible to be in denial and fix everything except the problem.

EO2K 09-18-2013 06:31 PM

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We need pics, please provide

You list temperatures in C horsepower as wbhp and 95RON for fuel, so I'm guessing you are in Europe. What you call a shroud we may call something else.

If you removed this thing from your car, put it back on:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1379543901


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