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crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:30 PM

NO POWER aka no Balls aka slower than shit
 
91 miata. 114k miles Manual ---also have this posted on miata.net
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...91#post4467591
I am working on this car for someone locally

My issue is this car has zero balls, nothing. Start it up rev it up by hand under the hood and its so so slow to rev up. Pulled out of the drive way and floored it i drove 100ft before it actually hit 15mph.

THINGS IVE CHECKED:
The power loss seemed kinda gradual, started losing power over time then just one day went to complete crap. Thought it was the shortnose crank failure but that is not the case.
I have completely taken the front timing area apart after this sudden power loss started. Mechanical and ignition timing are dead on. The crankshaft is in solid shape and no pulley wobbling. New O2 sensor. Pulled cat off to check if its clogged and ran it with open header and got no change.

New O2 sensor
New fuel filter
throws #2 code NE SIGNAL


So not sure what else I should look at, prob going to test the fuel pump and compression tomorrow, was also curious about this thing here sometimes when started this little deal starts clicking like crazy and doesn't stop it appears to connect to the charcoal cannister.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...rhrd/relay.jpg

Also curious can a bad TPS cause this sudden power loss as well? Any and all information/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

kotomile 04-10-2010 08:33 PM

Is there something lodged in the intake?

gospeed81 04-10-2010 08:36 PM

Is it running rough at all in general?

If you've got proper fuel, and spark, and mechanical timing, then it sounds like an airflow problem. Maybe make sure the throttle body's actually opening?



EDIT: Is this only at WOT? If so I'd check out the TPS, but I forget what the thing even does, it's just a switch, but thought it was to tell when at idle or not.

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:36 PM

Intake is completely clear

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 554167)
Is it running rough at all in general?

If you've got proper fuel, and spark, and mechanical timing, then it sounds like an airflow problem. Maybe make sure the throttle body's actually opening?

Idle is decently smooth and throttle body is opening like it should

18psi 04-10-2010 08:37 PM

clogged cat? clogged something else? bad plugs? could be a shitton of things

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 554171)
clogged cat? clogged something else? bad plugs? could be a shitton of things

As first post says, removed cat it's clear ran open header nothing changed. Plugs are good it doesn't misfire at all. You floor it and its weird its constant smooth acceleration (but slow as fuck) hits 4 or 5k and it accelerates a little quicker but no where near like it should.

18psi 04-10-2010 08:45 PM

maybe cas is fucked up and timing is retarded to shit?

UrbanSoot 04-10-2010 08:46 PM

im pretty sure its fuel-related

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 554176)
maybe cas is fucked up and timing is retarded to shit?

Timing is dead on 12 degrees

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanSoot (Post 554177)
im pretty sure its fuel-related

Thats what I was kinda thinking, would a bad TPS do anything like this?

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 554167)

EDIT: Is this only at WOT? If so I'd check out the TPS, but I forget what the thing even does, it's just a switch, but thought it was to tell when at idle or not.

Just noticed your edit if you don't go WOT the car goes nowhere, its really sad it's way slower than an automatic miata. Was wondering about the TPS as well.

timk 04-10-2010 09:09 PM

Check the flux capacitor connections.

Maybe the AFM has packed it in?

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by saboteur (Post 554189)
Check the flux capacitor connections.

Checked and connections are solid, if I can't get this bitch up to 88 mph im going to be stuck in the future forever.

curly 04-10-2010 09:24 PM

Spark plug wires.

gooflophaze 04-10-2010 09:36 PM

If you don't WOT, but try and slowly/gradually add more throttle, does it respond better?

My coworkers volvo went super shitty, and I was looking at the fuel, fuel pump, fuel filter... Turned out the MAF wire had broken completely. Slowly adding throttle made it drivable, letting the o2 sensor have enough time to trim the fuel curve.

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by bittetech (Post 554199)
If you don't WOT, but try and slowly/gradually add more throttle, does it respond better?

My coworkers volvo went super shitty, and I was looking at the fuel, fuel pump, fuel filter... Turned out the MAF wire had broken completely. Slowly adding throttle made it drivable, letting the o2 sensor have enough time to trim the fuel curve.

If you give it just a little throttle it goes no where, does not respond any better.

crnrhrd 04-10-2010 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 554195)
Spark plug wires.

Wouldn't it misfire though?

oilstain 04-10-2010 10:13 PM

Random Idea: Have a compatible computer you could swap in?

Can you get an O2 reading?

sn95 04-10-2010 11:01 PM

Can you borrow or access an automotive oscilloscope so you can determine if you have an ignition system issue (plugs, plug wires, coilpack, igniter)? Have you tried plumbing a mechanical fuel pressure gauge in before the fuel rail to see if fuel is a problem?


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