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Joe Perez 12-09-2015 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by Eunn (Post 1290696)
Check the times when edited and when you posted.

You have no idea as to the depths of my laziness and apathy. Hours can pass between the time I click "reply", subsequently get distracted by shiny things, cook dinner, watch some TV, argue a bit with the missus, and finally come back to the PC to find that I forgot to hit the "submit" button.

I consider this a superpower.

aidandj 12-09-2015 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1290707)
You have no idea as to the depths of my laziness and apathy. Hours can pass between the time I click "reply", subsequently get distracted by shiny things, cook dinner, watch some TV, argue a bit with the missus, and finally come back to the PC to find that I forgot to hit the "submit" button.

I consider this a superpower.

It's only a super power if you can subsequently get the security token error and lose all of your post.

2manyhobyz 12-10-2015 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by Eunn (Post 1290671)
For the record I was never intending to use a fuel filter for my oil. I was curious if 2manyhobyz ((or anyone else) had any luck good or bad with the 551318. *EDIT I guess I did say I'd like to try the larger filter. I should have said A larger filter before digging into that 551318 filter specs as a sidenote*

I couldn't tell you. I would assume so since you have a picture of the filter I had posted installed? I was under the impression you had run that filter. EDIT I realize that a P551318 and napa 551318 (now 1318) are two very different filters.

I did have the napa 551318 on the car and it was only about a half inch of clearance. I would have continued to use it but I wanted to upgrade to their silver or gold line which is a better filter, but it is a bit of an odd ball and they didn't produce in their better lines. So the Purlator ended up the best compromise for me.

sixshooter 12-10-2015 01:40 PM

When the new high pressure diesel injection (common rail or whatever terminology you prefer) arrived on the scene, the particulate size the filters allowed to pass was significantly less and new machines would stop working and the older ones would keep going. Most of my customers have lousy fuel handling practices and had problems with mechanical injection engines anyway.

Eunn 12-10-2015 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1290841)
When the new high pressure diesel injection (common rail or whatever terminology you prefer) arrived on the scene, the particulate size the filters allowed to pass was significantly less and new machines would stop working and the older ones would keep going. Most of my customers have lousy fuel handling practices and had problems with mechanical injection engines anyway.

The solution for that was adding a prefilter/water separator/fuel heater. It had to be done on Dozers and excavators since those machines get filled from a slip tank in the operators pickup and they don't always keep them clean. Filters out rocks, dirt clumps and small children. Helps to keep the fuel in good shape when its -40 below too.

Diesel Pro 243 Unheated Fuel Water Separator, 243050RLDAVK-0, Davco Mfg

sixshooter 12-12-2015 01:00 PM

Our solution is to advise them to put a fine filter on the hose from the portable tanks and to not pre-fill machine filters.

njn63 12-12-2015 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eunn (Post 1290172)
I've used the Donaldson P551318...well for its intended purpose as a fuel filter. Never considered using it as an oil filter. It lists as a 9 micron filter per Donaldson's specs https://dynamic.donaldson.com/WebSto...63&item=742494

WIX lists it as 10 micron Wix 33403 & Napa 3403 Fuel Filter: FleetFilter Secure Store - Wix, Fram, Baldwin, Luberfiner

Filter Bags | Micron Size Comparison Chart | Clearstream Filters Inc. This is a handy reference chart for micron sizes.

My UWAG (uneducated wild ass guess) is that if a filter can catch particles down to 9 or 10 microns it would have a shorter service life vs a filter of the same size that can filter to 21 or even 40 microns. It would be interesting to see the particle count in the oil between 21 micron and 9 micron. My bet is there many more 9 micron particles and the larger 551318 filter might not have a much longer service life over the stock filter. The oil will stay much cleaner. I would love to do oil samples back to back with the same oil, change interval and driving conditions between a stock filter and the 551318. Then again I'm sure I will burn it off faster than anything to really matter.:facepalm::rofl:

I wouldn't put too much stock in manufacturer "micron" specs unless there is a first pass efficiency attached. Amsoil is one of the few I have seen that provide that data:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1449948681

Technically a manufacturer can advertise a filter as "10 micron" even if it only catches 10% of particles that size.

bbundy 12-13-2015 12:19 AM

I've always just used the Purolator Pure One PL14459. It's the one specified for the B6t and BPt motors found in mazda 323 GTX's. slightly bigger than the non turbo version specified in the Miata.

Alternative 12-28-2015 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1291491)
I've always just used the Purolator Pure One PL14459. It's the one specified for the B6t and BPt motors found in mazda 323 GTX's. slightly bigger than the non turbo version specified in the Miata.

Ive used the PL14449 for years its also used on the Honda S2000 and is a typical upgrade for most honda engines that use a smaller filter.

Landrew 11-30-2018 06:44 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5d73af8bb5.jpg
With my sandwich plate and half cut intake manifold brace a larger filter is easily added to my setup. I did some research using WIX's nice customizable database and found a filter that would better match the larger aftermarket sandwich plate.
The WIX 51347 was the clear winner. NAPA calls it a 1347 in the Gold brand. It's huge compared to the OEM with almost twice the media area.

adam86 02-16-2024 09:19 AM

Bringing this thread back from the dead. I found that a 2024 Honda Accord filter (any engine) is about 1 inch longer than the Miata filter with the same bypass pressure. It is a good replacement if you want a longer filter element.
Miata - https://www.fram.com/fram-ultra-synt...spin-on-xg6607
Accord - https://www.fram.com/fram-ultra-spin...-filter-xg7317

LeoNA 02-16-2024 01:50 PM

Increasing the bypass pressure is more important than capacity. Historically Honda specified a very low micron rating for their engines which is a move in the wrong direction for this application. It may actually offset any increase in flow rate from a larger element. For a high performance low service life application it would be desirable to have a high flow element in a sturdy canister with a reliable bypass design that is at a higher pressure.


Originally Posted by adam86 (Post 1646451)
Bringing this thread back from the dead. I found that a 2024 Honda Accord filter (any engine) is about 1 inch longer than the Miata filter with the same bypass pressure. It is a good replacement if you want a longer filter element.
Miata - https://www.fram.com/fram-ultra-synt...spin-on-xg6607
Accord - https://www.fram.com/fram-ultra-spin...-filter-xg7317



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