Less motor, more suspension and tire.
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Id have to learn more about the xidas before I went to something that big. If they can handle crappy roads then I don't see why its not an option, its just a hell of a lot of suspension for a toy.
are they just that much better than anything fcm or stewart development can put out? |
Originally Posted by chance91
(Post 713468)
are they just that much better ?
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 713473)
Have you read Hustler's build thread or any of the discussion about track time improvements from just swapping to xidas? It's all on this forum somewhere.
Lots of money either way. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 713473)
Have you read Hustler's build thread or any of the discussion about track time improvements from just swapping to xidas? It's all on this forum somewhere.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 713484)
I don't have Xidas, I have old-design 5100 fronts with crappy emulsion rears...but they're damn good. Xidas are superior.
** I also like this review. The guy is a very respectable driver/person. ok.. maybe I need to change direction on the car. Or just do both, its not that much money in the end. http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/in...html#msg237940 |
What is your planned usage?
What are you looking for in the suspension? |
Planned useage is track days 1-2 times a month, with room to grow over the next year or two. Not a daily driver, weekend driver/when I'm bored car now. I may have more money than brains, this is always a factor...
I'm not a great driver. I'm capable, and looking to get better, been through a performance driving course and a few track days, trying to get more into the sport, but the time commitment is the main issue. I like the idea of the full Xida coilovers the more I find out about them, but even the Xida-s would be more than I can handle. it seems, however, they are really compliant in all conditions, which was counter to what I thought. Typically I think high-end or race-ready and figure the coilovers will give up roadability or ride quality. Looks like that's not an issue with the xidas... I know a number of people have mentioned their fatcats, bilstein coilovers, etc improve ride quality on the street, its just hard to accept that fact in my head, but I guess that's what R&D and lots of money gets you. So, whats your opinion on the subject? |
FCMs or Xida-S sound like a good fit, with 400 to 500 lb/in front spring rates.
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sounds like a good answer. I guess the extra initial cost will be no big deal considering it should be the last setup I'll ever need..
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Originally Posted by chance91
(Post 713589)
Planned useage is track days 1-2 times a month, with room to grow over the next year or two.
I bought old stuff AST had lying on the shelf. I'd slap external cans on the rear but I'd take too many points in NASA, so I'll end up putting my current AST's on and buy Xidas eventually, but even the emulsion rears feel awesome from the driver's seat. I recently ran the 3.1 at MSR and everyone warned us and stayed away from the dreaded "triangle bump" on the transition. It was pretty funny to kareem through it, watch cars like E90 M3's, Vettes, , and Porsches bounce off it, my car is unphased over it. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 713643)
You want Xidas. I could daily my track car if it had AC on the 700/400 springs, the valving is awesome. The fastest suspension has the tire on the ground more than the competition, this is also the most comfortable typically. If the valving were too stiff in highspeed the car would bounce and skip.
I bought old stuff AST had lying on the shelf. I'd slap external cans on the rear but I'd take too many points in NASA, so I'll end up putting my current AST's on and buy Xidas eventually, but even the emulsion rears feel awesome from the driver's seat. I recently ran the 3.1 at MSR and everyone warned us and stayed away from the dreaded "triangle bump" on the transition. It was pretty funny to kareem through it, watch cars like E90 M3's, Vettes, , and Porsches bounce off it, my car is unphased over it. For the external piston setup, is there going to be a ton to gain there, or are we talking about the last step in perfecting a set up car? I.E. not something I'd need in any way, or would it offer some benefit for a car like mine? I don't think so, and am leaning towards the xida-s, but would like to fully understand the options here. Nick |
Suspension technology and the math behind it is way over my head. I can grab huge curbs and the car doesn't bounce. Typically the better the damper, the smoother the ride because the tire is planted as the car floats in a sense.
The external canisters hold fluid and a gas valve, not a piston. Ask 949 these questions, not me, I don't know what I'm talking about. The extent of my knowledge is basically rooted in seat-of-the-pants opinion. If this were a simple and straight forward science, every shock company would do it. Go to AST-USA's facebook page, you'll learn a lot. http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3865316_n.jpg |
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Originally Posted by chance91
(Post 713665)
Nom Nom Nom.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4146066_n.jpg |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 713667)
nah, this is what you want, it's the good shit:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4146066_n.jpg |
WTF is there to talk about? 949 has threads on it and he's answered every question you can think of.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 714063)
WTF is there to talk about? 949 has threads on it and he's answered every question you can think of.
I'll see what's said about them, but I think i kinda know what I'll do. I do have some sanity left in me afterall. |
Originally Posted by chance91
(Post 714095)
I get one or two hrs a day free to myself, and the girlfriend is a bit more important than my car.
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Originally Posted by Bond
(Post 714099)
Stop being a pussy.
Just how it is. Happiness can take a back seat to future success in the end. I think I got a good idea of what I want now, on this car. Should make for a nice toy. Which is all it is, a fun, ridiculously expensive toy, which will hopefully be pretty capable.. |
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