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hustler 05-22-2007 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by jayc72 (Post 115972)
Unnecessary cost. The pistion is unlikely to wear out and require replacing, rings on the other hand ... But really, do you think you'll own this car for 10 more years?

yeah, why would I sell it?

jayc72 05-22-2007 02:15 PM

:inout:

y8s 05-22-2007 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Lex (Post 115975)
what is your guys' minimum ignition advance under boost?

19°

4k, 8psi.

m2cupcar 05-22-2007 02:53 PM

4500rpm, 93 pump gas
17° - 8psi
14° - 12psi
12° - 15psi

Braineack 05-22-2007 02:59 PM

I was hitting 21-22° at 12.5 psi at 4500RPM, probably have room for more advance

Ben 05-22-2007 03:02 PM

15° minimum, ~15 psi @ tq peak

brainy i'm around 17-18 at 12psi. no we didn't push it until detonation, but adding more timing didn't make more power.

Lex 05-22-2007 03:10 PM

hmm, looks like I can safely add quite a bit more timing, especially since I am running on 94 octane and 8.2 compression.

I used flyingmiata's ignition map as a base.

Savington 05-22-2007 03:13 PM

Awesome shit, guys. That's what I wanted to hear. My goal is to have two maps, a normal 12psi 91 piss-water map and a 15, mabye even 17+psi map once I get a water injection setup. I probably won't push past 275rwhp or so until the motor is built, but I think I can hit that number even on a small T25 and big boost as long as I can keep the intake temps and detonation down (perfect use for WI).

Braineack 05-22-2007 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Lex (Post 116018)
I used flyingmiata's ignition map as a base.


yeah, that was my problem...I also had a 2° retard (i suck) so I was closer to 19-20°

right now my targets are 20° @ 180 kPa; 18° @ 210; and 16° @ 230

I was still making more power as I advanced it, but the returns were starting to become dimishing, my fuel was also way off, so it will probably be altered some. KnocksenseMS is 85% wired up, so I'll be able to make sure all is kosher and ready for my real dyno tuning session.

Lex 05-22-2007 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 116030)
yeah, that was my problem...I also had a 2° retard (i suck) so I was closer to 19-20°

right now my targets are 20° @ 180 kPa; 18° @ 210; and 16° @ 230

I was still making more power as I advanced it, but the returns were starting to become dimishing, my fuel was also way off, so it will probably be altered some. KnocksenseMS is 85% wired up, so I'll be able to make sure all is kosher and ready for my real dyno tuning session.

Hmm, so why is FM using so much retard on their big turbo kits?

y8s 05-22-2007 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Lex (Post 116042)
Hmm, so why is FM using so much retard on their big turbo kits?

cuts down on "FM blew up my engine!!!11!!one!!!" complaints.

seriously tho they make it for bad gas and lots of margin of safety.

nester 05-22-2007 05:29 PM

i'm still using FM's stock map..

Ben 05-22-2007 05:32 PM

That's OK, you can run 89 octane then. :rofl:

nester 05-22-2007 06:15 PM

i advanced it 2 degrees, i think i can go a bit more.. i have no knock as far as the knock sensor sees anyway..

Lex 05-23-2007 04:11 PM

Ben and Brain, do you guys mind posting up a screenshot of your current ignition maps (

Braineack 05-23-2007 04:19 PM

should be in my "why i think timing is important thread" but here:

https://www.miataturbo.net/braineack.../diytiming.jpg


Ben's should be in his "I'm squirting" thread, should look similar.


I have yet to do much testing of this table as I'm not currently driving it untill I get my LC-1 back from innovative. Then I'm getting on a loaded dyno to do some comprehensive tuning. But as is at 12.5psi, I had no signs of knock and the power output seemed butt-dyno friendly.

Lex 05-23-2007 04:23 PM

Thanks! how come you are running 14 degrees timing at idle?

Ben 05-23-2007 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Lex (Post 116540)
Thanks! how come you are running 14 degrees timing at idle?

My map is close enough to brainy's. Why not run 14 deg?

Lex 05-23-2007 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 116542)
My map is close enough to brainy's. Why not run 14 deg?

I thought stock was around 10 and was wondering if there was a reason for the 14.

y8s 05-23-2007 10:44 PM

stock base timing is 10, but without TEN and GND shorted, it varies. measure it sometime.


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