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patsmx5 Mar 23, 2015 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1217720)
It is actually in a reasonably good position where it is, if you must use it. The oil is usually much warmer than the water when under a load. Getting that additional heat into the coolant prior to the radiator will cause the coolant to be at a higher temperature differential with the air flowing through the radiator, allowing it to remove heat more quickly. If placed in the bottom hose, the temperature of the coolant would likely be raised too high reentering the engine to be suitable for cooling. It would also cause the oil to be below optimum temperature at light loads, causing greatly accelerated wear.

I agree, it went where it is for those reasons. That and it's the only place it would fit.... But I've never messed with oil coolers on BPs so I don't know if this one can dump enough heat to keep the oil happy. It seems 200-220*F is a good oil temp to shoot for, but again I am inexperienced here so not really sure what works best.

Regarding all the feedback I've gotten in this thread, I'm going to do back to back testing with this setup and with the factory mixing manifold. As has been pointed out to me, majority is usually correct. I can directly measure heat exchanger effectiveness so I can measure air temps before intercooler, after intercooler, after radiator, AIT's before/after intercooler, and CLT's before/after radiator. When I get all these sensors working and the car sorted, I will test both setups and post the data. Given the amount of things I still have left to do, it could easily be a month to 3 months before I have the data as I'm still building the car and I little problems keep popping up that slow down progress. That will put testing in spring/summer in TX so should be nice and warm.

Dunning Kruger Affect Mar 23, 2015 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1217720)
It is actually in a reasonably good position where it is, if you must use it. The oil is usually much warmer than the water when under a load. Getting that additional heat into the coolant prior to the radiator will cause the coolant to be at a higher temperature differential with the air flowing through the radiator, allowing it to remove heat more quickly. If placed in the bottom hose, the temperature of the coolant would likely be raised too high reentering the engine to be suitable for cooling. It would also cause the oil to be below optimum temperature at light loads, causing greatly accelerated wear.

Yeah, but you registered a whole year later and 1 year in a 8 year time span is 1/8th so he's like at least 12.5% better than you. Just putting that out there.

albumleaf Mar 24, 2015 12:16 AM

Have you considered installing a heat gun which you could flip on via cabin switch when things get too cold? Just fit it in front of your radiator.

sixshooter Mar 24, 2015 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by albumleaf (Post 1217830)
Have you considered installing a heat gun which you could flip on via cabin switch when things get too cold? Just fit it in front of your radiator.

Well, one could use an air/water intercooler mounted in the exhaust stream and a pull cable style heater valve to use the wasted heat of the exhaust to pre-heat the coolant and get it up to proper operating temperature when needed.

Braineack Mar 24, 2015 02:01 PM

hey pat, have you considered just installing a mixing manifold?

patsmx5 Mar 24, 2015 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1217987)
Well, one could use an air/water intercooler mounted in the exhaust stream and a pull cable style heater valve to use the wasted heat of the exhaust to pre-heat the coolant and get it up to proper operating temperature when needed.

That is stupid. You could totally put some sensors on it and build a microcontroller to run it. Push cable.....

patsmx5 Mar 24, 2015 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1218005)
hey pat, have you considered just installing a mixing manifold?

Yes, see post 61.

Braineack Mar 24, 2015 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 1218007)
Yes, see post 61.

have you done it yet?

patsmx5 Mar 24, 2015 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1218011)
have you done it yet?

No, see post 61.

This is getting fun. :)

Braineack Mar 24, 2015 02:18 PM

cause i think you should do it.


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