Pre-turbo compression test -> uh oh
Hi gang,
At the moment, my 95M with 78K on the clock is a stock N/A car. I am planning to turbo it but wanted to ensure the engine was healthy enough, etc. Did a compression test (at a shop) and the numbers were 155 150 125 155 dry. Did #3 wet and it came up to 150... so obviously #3 piston rings are possibly bad. My mechanic suggested running a cleaning kit since he said there is a slight chance of the rings simply being gummed up (the car was driven by an elderly gentleman for 20 years of its life, tracked for the next 2 and then owned by me for the last 3 where I did mainly spirited drives on the backroads) although not to hold my breath. As we continued discussing my options - his proposal was to simply boost it, drive it as I would and when the engine start showing signs of failure, do a full rebuild (or hell get a new engine and rebuild that) - enjoy the car for another 25 years on a fresh block. He is of the opinion that at 8 PSI (Flyin Miata Stage 1 kit), it will be at least 2 if not more years before any issues pop-up... I drive ~3500 miles a year. Thoughts? Opinions? Guess I am just venting a tad... especially after putting a new clutch in :cjerk: |
If you have the time and are doing the install yourself, I might be inclined to boost the current motor. I'd run a leakdown test though, just to further isolate the problem.
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Adding an incompressible fluid to the cylinder is always going to increase your compression readings. It doesn't prove a ring issue. I can't believe how many people believe that. It's also absurd to make a guess about how long the engine is going to last.
A leakdown test should be your next move IMO. |
Well - the point of sprinkling oil into the cylinder was more to see if we have a badly sealing valve. Considering that compression increased, it seems to indicate valves are not the problem, no?
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Originally Posted by FuzzyBeanBag
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Well - the point of sprinkling oil into the cylinder was more to see if we have a badly sealing valve. Considering that compression increased, it seems to indicate valves are not the problem, no?
I think a compression test is fantastic for quickly identifying a problem cylinder, but it's absolutely useless for identifying what the problem is. A leakdown test will show exactly where the problem is. |
Send it. My low cylender improoved after adding boost.
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Originally Posted by x_25
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Send it. My low cylender improoved after adding boost.
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Nope, checked it again after a year with the same tester and the low one had come up to be almost even with the other three. No idea why.
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Originally Posted by x_25
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Nope, checked it again after a year with the same tester and the low one had come up to be almost even with the other three. No idea why.
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Fairly sure they are in my build thread somewhere? Maybe?
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Originally Posted by x_25
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Nope, checked it again after a year with the same tester and the low one had come up to be almost even with the other three. No idea why.
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That is bizarre but encouraging! As the young'uns say nowadays - YOLO!
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Originally Posted by SpartanSV
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Adding an incompressible fluid to the cylinder is always going to increase your compression readings. It doesn't prove a ring issue. I can't believe how many people believe that. It's also absurd to make a guess about how long the engine is going to last.
A leakdown test should be your next move IMO. |
Originally Posted by SpartanSV
(Post 1578952)
Did the negcat come from someone who disagreed or were they offended by the delivery? If the former I'd love to here a counter argument.
It wasn't me - but I will admit when I read your post I thought "hmm how much could a teaspoon or so of oil really throw the reading off?" Doing some quick math, adding a teaspoon of oil to a 1.8l engine with 9:1 CR raises the CR to 9.9:1. So, by my math, the answer to my question is "probably quite a bit, enough to make a difference". I haven't tried it myself, but have to imagine it could raise it by a solid 10-15+ psi based on CR alone (not accounting to potentially sealing valves or rings better) |
I shouldn't have to, but given the other info the shop felt qualified to guess at; did they do this compression test with the motor warm, all 4 plugs out, and throttle held wide open?
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