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race gas fuel cell in the trunk
im looking to run race gas in another fuel cell mounted in the tank to make more power for when im at the drag track. im going to mount it over the spare tire hole so this way the sump clears and the tank sits level. so let me know what you guys thing of the idea. i priced the parts i need at 350 bucks here are all the parts im looking to buy
Summit SUM-293205 - SummitŪ Aluminum Fuel Cells Holley 12-920 - Holley In-Line Electric Fuel Pumps Russell Performance 614018 - Russell AN to NPT Adapter Fittings Earl's Performance 991003ERL - Earl's Performance Couplers Professional Products 10232 - Professional Products NPT to Hose Adapter Fittings |
will you have a valve to switch from one gas tank to another or are you getting rid of the stock tank?
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Originally Posted by Mouglie
(Post 406977)
will you have a valve to switch from one gas tank to another or are you getting rid of the stock tank?
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why not just run your tank dry on the way to the track and fill it up with your "race fuel" when you get there?
This is what all/most boosted track miatas do, in fact this is what most track cars do. |
For a bunch of safety reasons that I won't even explain to you because you'll just ignore them anyway, you shouldn't do this.
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Originally Posted by thesnowboarder
(Post 406983)
why not just run your tank dry on the way to the track and fill it up with your "race fuel" when you get there?
This is what all/most boosted track miatas do, in fact this is what most track cars do.
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 406989)
For a bunch of safety reasons that I won't even explain to you because you'll just ignore them anyway, you shouldn't do this.
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Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 406996)
i dont want to have to run my tank dry and you never truly can run it dry
Clearly, you no nothing. Spec miata drivers do it before races so they know exactly how much fuel is in their tanks. |
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 406996)
i would like to hear them. i get if some one crashes into me it will go boom :giggle: Ask me with perfect grammar and I'll tell you. |
how are you going to control the return line?
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How much extra power do you think "race gas" will make you?
I have a number in my head. |
water injection > purple
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lol yeah man some Water meth injection is the same price with alot better results and you can drive it everywhere witht the track power instead of being a pussy with what you have.
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You are not going to get more power just by running "race gas" or "av gas".
You need to tune high octane fuel to get power. Unless you are going to switch between two different tunes you are asking for trouble. |
Originally Posted by mrtonyg
(Post 407085)
You are not going to get more power just by running "race gas" or "av gas".
You need to tune high octane fuel to get power. Unless you are going to switch between two different tunes you are asking for trouble.
Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 407084)
lol yeah man some Water meth injection is the same price with alot better results and you can drive it everywhere witht the track power instead of being a pussy with what you have.
Originally Posted by Alta_Racer
(Post 407075)
How much extra power do you think "race gas" will make you?
I have a number in my head.
Originally Posted by 240_to_miata
(Post 407007)
how are you going to control the return line?
Originally Posted by thesnowboarder
(Post 407001)
Clearly, you no nothing. Spec miata drivers do it before races so they know exactly how much fuel is in their tanks.
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Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407133)
i dont do any form of autocross only drag racing seeing how its only 20 buck for the day
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Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 407153)
This is your response in regard to Spec Miata? You really need to do your homework...
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Spec Miata : The Official Spec Miata Community
That took exactly 7 seconds. Either you're too lazy to type "spec miata" into a search window, or you don't know what the fuck autocrossing is. |
im sorry but i dont give 2 sh!ts for spec miata.
the Spec Miata (SM) class is intended to provide the opportunity to compete in low cost, production-based cars with limited modifications theres one of them |
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407133)
i dont do any form of autocross only drag racing seeing how its only 20 buck for the day
Autocross=cones Road course wheel to wheel racing is what spec miata is. ON TOPIC: I don't know why you're worrying about a setup that will involve perfecting TWO tunes when you couldn't even get one tune right. Also, how are you going to know when to switch back and forth between the two if you can't tell when the fuel line is full/empty of race gas during switches. I see more bent rods in your future young Skywalker. |
Damn, fellas! Ease up on the boy.
You will know when the race gas reaches the injectors by the smell of the exhaust gasses, I suppose. Good for you for taking the initiative and experimenting with something new. I would personally use the water/meth mix so that the benefits of the extra power/safety would always be available. Meth is safe unless you freebase it. |
There is a drain plug in the gas tank you know. That would be far too easy to do right? Fucking with a fuel cell and adding all that extra weight makes a whole lot of sense.
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NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
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lol say what corosive and kills shit? dude my car has been running on it exclusivly for 4 yrs now problem free, no corosion or anything wtf are you talking about?
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you shuld swap in a evo gas tank.
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Originally Posted by gospeed81
(Post 407167)
The point is they are track cars numbnuts.
Autocross=cones Road course wheel to wheel racing is what spec miata is. ON TOPIC: I don't know why you're worrying about a setup that will involve perfecting TWO tunes when you couldn't even get one tune right. Also, how are you going to know when to switch back and forth between the two if you can't tell when the fuel line is full/empty of race gas during switches. I see more bent rods in your future young Skywalker.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 407186)
Damn, fellas! Ease up on the boy.
You will know when the race gas reaches the injectors by the smell of the exhaust gasses, I suppose. Good for you for taking the initiative and experimenting with something new. I would personally use the water/meth mix so that the benefits of the extra power/safety would always be available. Meth is safe unless you freebase it.
Originally Posted by Alta_Racer
(Post 407214)
NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
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Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 407216)
lol say what corosive and kills shit? dude my car has been running on it exclusivly for 4 yrs now problem free, no corosion or anything wtf are you talking about?
thats one here is another http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/new-fuel...rw/afrw-07.pdf under Introduction page 7 The different chemical structures of alcohol fuels (ethanol or methanol) and gasoline necessitate significant changes to current vehicle technology. A joint research effort by 14 major U.S. oil companies and three of the largest auto companies is currently focusing on experimental and commercial production of flexible fuel vehicles. These are specifically designed to run on high level alcohol blends as well as on conventional petroleum-based fuels. Unfortunately, the reliabifity and durability of flexible fuel vehicles depends on alcohol solvent and corrosion properties. Unlike gasoline, alcohols are strong solvents and are more highly corrosive. Methanol has been found to be more corrosive than ethanol, both in material degradation and the formation of acid within the combustion chamber, which reduces the effectiveness of the lubricating oil. The solvent effects of alcohol fuels on both the fuel distribution system and vehicle are addressed in this section, as well as the corrosion sensitivity of various metals and nonmetals found in current vehicle and fuel distribution systems. Finally, a strategy to minimize the corrosive effects of alcohol fuels is also presented. 7- then look under PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL FUELS page 16 and it shows in a graph that meth is corrosive and also ask any shop and see if there are never problems with meth and icv so eat shit:loser: |
You aren't going to make friends and gain useful advice like that.
If you are afraid of methanol then just run water injection or a larger intercooler to keep the IATs down. Since you can't pass tech running two tanks at a drag track, you might just have to drain the pump gas and replace it with the race gas as was suggested already. |
Don't quote me but I think some organizations require a crash cage around the fuel cell. I know I wouldn't run one without a halo and fire plates in the trunk just for my own peace of mind. Ideally a Halon system too.
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So.. you were going to ask what we thought, and THEN check the rules to see if you could actually do it?
Bravo. |
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407218)
i did not tune the car myself the first time and after i did tune it my self i made 225whp on 13 psi with out playing with ignition from the maps fm gives you i am also not using the link any more i have aem f/ic now the switch will be flipped a good 5 mins before the pass so i think that will be a good amount off time for the engine to burn the pump gas out plus i am going to t the lines in at the regulator in the engine bay for the return less fuel system
Invest in a keyboard with a period. Reading your posts are painful. Don't even fuck with a fuel cell. There's a DRAIN PLUG in the tank. Drain your fuel at the track, run it till it dies and then fill it with race gas. It's a no brainer. But by all means if you want to piss your money into the wind, buy a fuel cell, fuck with a rat's nest of fuel lines and switches, and possibly run into more regulatory red tape bullshit at the track then go for it. |
hey look, I found a solution to your problem with wasting gas :jerkit:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2s7w3s4.jpg |
Originally Posted by albumleaf
(Post 407260)
hey look, I found a solution to your problem with wasting gas :jerkit:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2s7w3s4.jpg woaha blitz thats jdm hot. use that two fil you're evo tank. |
To the original post, search for a fuel test port. That should leave you with only a few ounces of fuel in your tank.
Originally Posted by rccote
(Post 407201)
There is a drain plug in the gas tank you know. That would be far too easy to do right? Fucking with a fuel cell and adding all that extra weight makes a whole lot of sense.
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Originally Posted by thesnowboarder
(Post 407269)
To the original post, search for a fuel test port. That should leave you with only a few ounces of fuel in your tank.
Wrong, there is not a drain plug on 99+ cars |
Originally Posted by Alta_Racer
(Post 407214)
NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407218)
this is was then next thing i was going to look at once i got to hear every thing people thought about it.
You'll waste less of your time and the time of those you are soliciting for information and ideas.
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407218)
only here people rip on you as soon as you walk off the path every one els fallows
However this is because I utilized the experience of seasoned turbo builders and engineers, looked at the events I wanted to participate in, appropriately scaled my performance requirements within their published guidance and articulately posed questions, concerns and ideas within this forum (and others). Based upon historical record, the Miata is capable of drag racing but is severely limited within that realm. - It is designed to carve corners, not charge down a quarter mile. From the small gain you will find from race fuel, you would be better served tuning the car at two boost levels, installing a boost controller and dumping a can of octane booster into the tank prior to each event and running at higher boost. - Fewer moving parts, easier to install, easier to pass tech and most likely at a lower cost. - L |
Originally Posted by l_bader
(Post 407279)
Read the rules for the sanctioning body / event(s) you are going to be participating in. Find the commonalities and the tightest constraints, then start thinking out of the box and looking for input.
You'll waste less of your time and the time of those you are soliciting for information and ideas. Running two radiators, two water pumps and independent air feeds to all heat exchangers I am "walking off the path every one else follows". Yet no one has ripped on me for my design choices. However this is because I utilized the experience of seasoned turbo builders and engineers, looked at the events I wanted to participate in, appropriately scaled my performance requirements within their published guidance and articulately posed questions, concerns and ideas within this forum (and others). Based upon historical record, the Miata is capable of drag racing but is severely limited within that realm. - It is designed to carve corners, not charge down a quarter mile. From the small gain you will find from race fuel, you would be better served tuning the car at two boost levels, installing a boost controller and dumping a can of octane booster into the tank prior to each event and running at higher boost. - Fewer moving parts, easier to install, easier to pass tech and most likely at a lower cost. - L |
This guy is singlehandedly making this forum shittier.
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No, he has the usual help:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t34991/ Unfortunately he's been around for a while, and every thread he subscribes to or starts goes to shit fast. Dude, get your car running right before you go making dual gas tanks, ice chilled intercoolers, solenoid activated straight pipe dumps and all that other shit that shouldn't even be on your horizon yet. Oh yeah, and PUT SOME FUCKING EFFORT INTO TYPING OUT YOUR POSTS! There's a reason I don't put as much effort as I usually would into my replies to you. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 407310)
This guy is singlehandedly making this forum shittier.
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gospeed81 i love your avatar
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Damn, forgot you have an NB. Whatever, just grow some balls and make a drain hole.
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Originally Posted by rccote
(Post 407414)
Damn, forgot you have an NB. Whatever, just grow some balls and make a drain hole.
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Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6
(Post 407318)
gospeed81 i love your avatar
I'll stop pickin' on you now. |
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Originally Posted by Milton Tucker
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With a blow torch please.
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lol man you are an idiot go ahead and buy a honda and rice that shit out. I think i know the properties of methanol better than most, and in the car etc i have no corosion problems. You are implying shit with people who run straight mehtanol, into there fuel tank, and need to upgrade there fuel lines injectors etc. Any WI system is made up of all Meth proof shit, and the amount you will inject into the motor probably wont exceed 13% on a IC setup with a max of 50% being meth so realistically on a 300 whp setup you would be shooting maybe 100/200cc/min of methanol through a single nozzle.
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Magnamx-5 is the only person on this forum exempt from proper grammar/capitalization/punctuation.
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damn straight :magna:
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