Is this really possible?
 

https://youtu.be/YF8-9rFZ8zA

Basically, he is running a 1.6 with 12:1 compression, stock flowing head, and built bottom end. Supposedly pushing 17psi through a gt2560r, and he made 388whp and ~340 lb/ft of torque. What do you guys think? I'm calling bs.

I personally cant wait for the "i blew up my transmission" follow-up

True

I think that is a no.

Didn't watch vid, don't need to.

No

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My gut tells me it was 3rd gear runs. Runs were too quick to be in 1:1.

after doing some more searching, I've learned it was a dynocom. These read about 18% percent higher than a dynojet. which brings it down to a slightly more believable 318whp.

My guess is the dyno wasn't set up properly.

Edit* I'm pretty sure it's already a 6 speed.

Its MrMattMans old 1.6 that was making 550 or so whp.

The skeptisism here surrounds the 2560 in relation to the dyno numbers, not the results specifically.

Different turbo. Gingyboi went with a much smaller turbo then what MattMan had.

RedMist did say the runs were done in 5th gear (car has a 6-speed). Something is probably off, as a gt2560R cam't support much more than low 300whp if absolutely tapped out. I believe they said ~17psi in the video. Unless their chassis dyno is actually trying to estimate crank hp, and they assumed like 80% efficiency, this feels like fake news to me...

This car runs exactly like my ~325hp car. He gets a little more wheel spin in 2nd than me, but i run a 3.636 rear end, i don't think he has one of those.
I know for a fact i have a better engine and i'm pretty sure i have a better hotside setup, i spent a lot of time and effort porting the shit out of my 2560, log manifold, and turn down.

if that is 388whp, I must be well over 500, which is amazing, cause I only have 400whp worth of injector.

I posted on the video with the same thing. It's hilarious how many YT fanbois replied to me defending him. It's impossible to make that kind of power on that turbo. I agree that the dyno pulls were WAY too quick, probably not in the 1:1 gear, and the dyno is a type that reads high anyways.

Looks like ~300whp to me. Still respectable power, but it ain't no 380whp.

Its all for the click bait.

I looked at the video above and all I see is a tool endangering oncoming traffic around the 1:38 mark. Doesnt look like anywhere near 380whp to me. However if he took it to a dragstrip the 1/8th or 1/4 mile trap speed (not the e.t.) is a very good indicator of true hp to weight. He could also use a dragy, vbox or some other proven method to measure trap speed as well if no access to drag strip.

Controversy equals clicks equals dollars.

I said the same shit.

It's an old turbo, on a log manifold and 2.5" downpipe, 1.6 with a stock head and the turbo can't make that much power.

Gotta remember the guy started out as a video game youtuber. The fact that he has gone this far is really impressive to be honest. Most of what he builds he does himself. I don't think he spends much if any time reading forums or other critical information that would have led him to be more skeptical of the numbers. In terms of why no dragy video etc, you gotta remember he is playing the youtube game. He isn't trying to hide anything, he is just saving that for a future video. I am 100% sure there will be future videos of his tests - all in their own episode - and likely a correction on the performance numbers. That will surely be followed by another video where they upgrade to a larger turbo to actually hit those numbers.

I know Caleb in that I have hung out at his old shop before he moved. Several of his friends are my friends. (although, as a 40 year old dude hanging out with teenagers I felt a little out of place and stopped coming by). The shop where he did the dyno tune is the same shop where I last ran my car. My car ran 260whp/236wtq on that exact dyno. That number seemed rational to me based on my turbo and the health of my engine and the sub-optimal parts I was running. Based on what I know of him - I don't consider his claims as purposefully deceptive. If anything it's just him being a tiny bit naive and non-critical. Mike the shop owner didn't know what turbo he was running so the numbers didn't seem out of line at the time. I can't speak for him now.

Basically, I don't believe those numbers but I don't think it's him being purposely grandiose.

I don't think he's intentionally lying about the numbers but to do so little research about what you're building that you don't even know enough to question these numbers is pretty pathetic IMO.

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Yep I literally made that exact comment on his YT channel. NO WAY are you making 388whp on a 1.6L with a FM manifold and 2560. Not happening

Bearing in mind that what we see is what he chose to edit into the video, my assumption is that he wasn't happy with the proper numbers he got out of the 2560 and did a pull in a lower gear to inflate them for clicks. "Greg peters built motor did 400+ why is yours only 300" would've been screeched from his fanbase for ages.

Its misleading but at the end of the day, he's the one getting the deposit from youtube and his followers are young kids who cant afford built motors much less proper turbo setups so I don't blame him. If he really was at 388, his follow follow up (ft reckless driving) would have been torture on a 6 speed.

If he was really at 388whp he would not be getting traction until 4th gear for the most part unless the tires are hot. I run Maxxis VR1 and when they are not quite warm I can spin 4th gear just rolling into it, once they get some heat in them they will hold 3rd 50% of the time depending on what kind of surface it is. I make 350+ ftlb according to VD and 360+whp @22psi on a 2860 genII.

I dont know why because I love his videos, but it really irked me that he thinks its making 388. It was almost like I felt like I had to prove that wrong lol. Heck, ill drive my car up there and roll race him so he can put that in a video. It would be awesome, lol.

I ran my LS swap on a dynojet and again on a dynocom inertia dyno a few weeks apart, they 2 whp apart.....they both use 2000 lb drums so I don't see how they could be that much more optimistic when a dynojet is considered optimistic to an eddy current style dyno like a mustang.

At ~400whp on street tires with a 6 speed, my car would spin from 60mph in 3rd on concrete, from a roll. That looks vid looks more like 300whp than 400whp to me.

When I was supercharged at 350whp 6 speed, I was going through the gears quite a bit quicker than that, and I'm certain my 99 NB is heavier than that car.

As painful as it was I watched the dyno vid again and I do not believe he claims it is whp. Maybe 388crank hp on e85. If you have watched any of his vids you know he is not that knowledgeable and a mediocre fab/mech so I doubt this will last long.

He built a AWD Miata with a Subaru drivetrain by himself. You might say he's a very good fabricator. I give him props for his builds for sure

I was actually referring to that build. I guess we have different opinions of what a good fabricator is. Not knowing how to cope tubing correctly is a fail in my book. Besides very poor welding skills. Obviously he has shitty research skills because he could have easily watched some youtube vids to learn how to do the fabricating correctly. He has a shop and is making money from these vids. He is not claiming to be a garage diy'er anymore.

I was curious and scrolled through the comments. Plenty of people asking for a race/collab with CarPassionChannel and some supportive replies from Greg, but no responses from gingy. I think he's aware of the discrepancy lol. Should give his a good excuse to go GTX down the road though.

At the end of the day, Its youtube and 99% of those watching just want to see "cool car go fast turbo go stututu". I'll take some inflated dyno numbers from a guy who has a pretty clean garage build any day over a jake paul terrorizing neighborhoods for clickbait

Fair enough, I personally don't know everything there is to know about fabrication. I think it's impressive that he did it although yes certain things could be improved upon. I think he's 23 years old so plenty of time for him to improve right?

In some ways I think it is ok to cut him some slack but he does have a following and has become somewhat of an educator.. For the most part I just feel he is being irresponsible. Bad practices with his builds and handling of tools. Sooner or later he or one of his followers will get hurt.

At 23 I had completed all of the welding, machine technology and automotive classes at my community college. Actually I was working on my second engineering concentration at my alma mater. For him not to make education a bit more of a priority is a enough of a reason to criticize him. It does not have to be school, it could be a mentor, an apprenticeship or at least time on the internet to search out what he is doing at a specific point in his build.

He has a 388hp build that youtube paid for but he could not take 1hr to watch some basic vids how to setup a MS. Also he could do a lot worse then to come to this forum and read.

You make some good points, I will agree with allofit. lol

Hey, while we are trashing the guy, did you see his "first drive" video of this car? He mentioned several times how "he could make it drive better but he doesn't need to just to break it in" while the car is jerking down the road and he can't rev the car past 3,000 rpms without it leaning out. That is no way to break in a motor, take 5 minutes and hook up your laptop and enable VEAL!

I do actually like a lot of what he's done, and it's a pretty cool channel. But he definitely cuts corners, and it's not just him it's this whole era of YT kids. Back in my day you documented this shit via build threads, properly, and it became a knowledge-base for everyone else. Now days it's all about view and likes.