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thumpetto007 08-28-2015 07:29 PM

T25 VVT bolt seized in housing...
 
2001 LS

I'm trying to do a timing belt, water pump, valve cover gasket, but...

all the pieces that make the torx "star" are gone, I have a drill, new cobalt bits, and two different types of ez out...

Any of you have suggestions?

thumpetto007 08-28-2015 07:31 PM

I have this set


and this one...


thumpetto007 08-28-2015 07:35 PM

do I need to remove the three torx bolts to remove the silver housing, or can I remove it using the outer, regular style bolts?

18psi 08-28-2015 07:37 PM

why are you removing all that just to do a timing belt?

thumpetto007 08-28-2015 07:51 PM

the intake cam seal is also leaking, unfortunately.

I also need to get the cam gears off, so I can remove the backing plate, it's preventing me from removing the water pump

18psi 08-28-2015 07:52 PM

I've had luck tapping with hammer as I'm twisting the screwdriver, but if yours is completely stripped then use those extractors....carefully.

thumpetto007 08-28-2015 07:54 PM

^shit, I wish I thought of that...

Yeah, I've never used the extractor bits before, I'm a little tentative, which is why I stopped, took a break, and started this thread

patsmx5 08-28-2015 07:55 PM

I stripped mine, then got a new torx bit of the right size, hammered it into the screw, put a 3/8 ratchet on it, and started hammering on the ratchet (pushing the bit into the stripped screw) while slowly increasing the amount of torque on the ratchet to unscrew it. Works perfect, I've never failed to remove as tripped torx with this method. You gotta smash the crap out of the ratchet with a hammer though.

thumpetto007 08-28-2015 08:00 PM

^so not a T25? I have a hardened t25 bit, but it's loose now...

I also have hardened, straight through screwdrivers, I could try that too?

patsmx5 08-28-2015 08:02 PM

I believe it's T27. Not sure though, I stripped mine with a T25.

18psi 08-28-2015 08:02 PM

heating it up a bit might help too. but be careful since the vanes inside are plastic

aidandj 08-28-2015 09:38 PM

<p>With torx bits a shit ton of pressure on the screwdriver is like the #1 thing.&nbsp;</p>

thumpetto007 08-28-2015 10:33 PM

THANK YOU EVERYONE!!!!

SUCCESS!!!!

I thought, well, I'll try the hammer trick... I tapped a t30 into the bolt, then, using a ratchet, i tapped the head with a 2 pound sledge. AND POOF! came right out!

the intake cam seal was REALLY stuck on, using two different seal pullers i have, i ended up pulling the metal spring halfway out of the rubber seal, and then I finally could pull the seal out.

replaced water pump, that fat bitch of an o ring on the lower coolant passage, o ring on the top water passage tube thing, timing backing plate, and cam gears are back on, i put a TINY spot of anti seize on the three new torx bolts on the intake cam, so hopefully they'll be easier next time.

I used 19 ft/lb on the water pump and flange bolts, and 40 ft/lb on the both 17mm and 14mm cam bolts.

It's dark here now, so I cleaned up, and will do the timing belt and valve cover tomorrow.

Thanks again everyone! Really helped me in a jam!

18psi 08-28-2015 10:38 PM

Welcome. Glad that worked.

curly 08-29-2015 08:03 AM

Vvt is closer to 60 ft/lbs. if a bolt is bigger, it'll rarely be the same torque spec.

Also with spinny things, loctite isn't a bad idea. Anti seize is. I'd personally use (with new screws) blue loctite.


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