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Turbo_4 05-24-2010 10:27 AM

Thinking about a Borla XR1
 
Current setup is FM 2.5" downpipe mated to a 3" exhaust with an 18" resonator and an ebay canister.

After listening to some mt exhaust videos, I'm thinking I can get a better quality note out of my exhaust. Idle sounds great, deceleration sounds great, and wot sounds great...but there are a few areas in the exhaust that sound too..."honda-ish" for my liking. I was thinking about pulling the canister and sticking in an XR1 with just a tip on it.

It's not that the exhaust is loud, I just wish it was more mellow sounding is some rpms. Any idea if this would be a waste of time or if there are better options? Also, I don't want to shove the largest straight through muffler posible I can in there...been there and done that, it sounded like ass.

Braineack 05-24-2010 10:38 AM

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...2/DSC01417.JPG


this is the muffler I'm installing on June 5th.

y8s 05-24-2010 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 577361)
this is the muffler y8s is installing for me on June 5th.

qft?

pusha 05-24-2010 11:34 AM

I'll probably be getting one of these:

http://www.burnsstainless.com/sm-250-350-17.aspx

17" long and weighing under 2.5 lbs... it's like yes.

Jeff_Ciesielski 05-24-2010 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Pusha (Post 577386)
I'll probably be getting one of these:

http://www.burnsstainless.com/sm-250-350-17.aspx

17" long and weighing under 2.5 lbs... it's like yes.

I thought my muffler was expensive. FUCK.

Braineack 05-24-2010 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Pusha (Post 577386)
17" long and weighing under 2.5 lbs... it's like pointless and expensive.

qtf?

Jeff_Ciesielski 05-24-2010 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Turbo_4 (Post 577358)
Current setup is FM 2.5" downpipe mated to a 3" exhaust with an 18" resonator and an ebay canister.

After listening to some mt exhaust videos, I'm thinking I can get a better quality note out of my exhaust. Idle sounds great, deceleration sounds great, and wot sounds great...but there are a few areas in the exhaust that sound too..."honda-ish" for my liking. I was thinking about pulling the canister and sticking in an XR1 with just a tip on it.

It's not that the exhaust is loud, I just wish it was more mellow sounding is some rpms. Any idea if this would be a waste of time or if there are better options? Also, I don't want to shove the largest straight through muffler posible I can in there...been there and done that, it sounded like ass.

At the end of the day, a perf-tube muffler is a perf-tube muffler, the character of the exhaust isn't going to change all that much. If you are having resonance problems at certain RPMs, I would experiment with adding in an additional resonator to smooth it out before you run out and blow a bunch of cash on another muffler.

pusha 05-24-2010 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski (Post 577387)
I thought my muffler was expensive. FUCK.

Well, I'll be using the money from selling my HKS Carbon Ti muffler (11 lbs.) for the purchase.

https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-performance-56/hks-carbon-ti-exhaust-muffler-44702/

miatauser884 05-24-2010 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski (Post 577391)
At the end of the day, a perf-tube muffler is a perf-tube muffler, the character of the exhaust isn't going to change all that much. If you are having resonance problems at certain RPMs, I would experiment with adding in an additional resonator to smooth it out before you run out and blow a bunch of cash on another muffler.

I agree. I went from a FM 2.25 dp into their 2.5" cat/duel exhaust to a full 3" The sound is slightly more mellow, but not as drastic as I thought it would be. The biggest drop in noise comes at cruise (which is what I was hoping) I also agree that you should look into adding a resonator. I will also do this if my wife thinks the car is too loud.

Does anyone have a sound clip of before and after adding a resonator before the muffler?

y8s 05-24-2010 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Pusha (Post 577386)
I'll probably be getting one of these:

http://www.burnsstainless.com/sm-250-350-17.aspx

17" long and weighing under 2.5 lbs... it's like yes.

exactly what is your goal?

cuz a dynomax bullet race muffler is about $60 and probably very similar performance-wise.

Braineack 05-24-2010 12:14 PM

I added one, it barely made a difference. cut out some drone.

the key to win is what I posted.

I mean, look how well it works:


pusha 05-24-2010 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 577403)
exactly what is your goal?

cuz a dynomax bullet race muffler is about $60 and probably very similar performance-wise.

Well, my car is a track car that will see light street use. How loud are turbocharged Miatas w/ open downpipes?

wittyworks 05-24-2010 12:25 PM

i've had mine with basically open downpipe that exits just behind where i sit, and after three months of dd its getting a little annoying and ill be putting on a muffler soon. Because im A) scared that i will get pulled over because of the loudness which will lead to them looking under my hood and having to take everything off, and B) its pretty loud

pusha 05-24-2010 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by wittyworks (Post 577408)
i've had mine with basically open downpipe that exits just behind where i sit, and after three months of dd its getting a little annoying and ill be putting on a muffler soon. Because im A) scared that i will get pulled over because of the loudness which will lead to them looking under my hood and having to take everything off, and B) its pretty loud

Yeah... I know what you mean in regard to the annoyance factor and po-po. I drove around in my S4 with open downpipes for about a week. Popping, gurgling and shooting flames got the attention of LEOs pretty damn quick.

Braineack 05-24-2010 12:37 PM

I currently having a 4x9x14 muffler, 4x12" resonator, and 3" metal core cat, and it's perfectly loud for a race car.

Jeff_Ciesielski 05-24-2010 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 577404)
I added one, it barely made a difference. cut out some drone.

the key to win is what I posted.

I mean, look how well it works:


I wouldn't expect it to make a lot of difference in the volume, but the OP's complaint was "sounding too much like a honda" which I take as meaning lots of rasp/drone.

I'm sure the big ZOMFG muffler that you'll be running will be very mellow at cruise and even at WOT, but I bet if you ran it sans resonator/cat you would still get that farting BLAT sound in the midrange.

Turbo_4 05-24-2010 01:02 PM

I'm not sure if I have room for another resonator unless I redid the whole exhaust. It current has a fake cat right underneath where the seats are and an 18" resonator right before the trunk. I might be able to squeeze another small resonator underneath the trunk area...just depends.

It doesn't "rasp" like a honda does...it just sometimes has that plain, jane drone sound to it...rather than having any character to it...if that makes sense.

Braineack 05-24-2010 01:07 PM



1:00, that's the noise I cannot stand, it's LOUD when the wastegate opens.

the dreaded honda WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Jeff_Ciesielski 05-24-2010 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo_4 (Post 577434)
It doesn't "rasp" like a honda does...it just sometimes has that plain, jane drone sound to it...rather than having any character to it...if that makes sense.

That makes perfect sense, and it is exactly why I decided to give an aero-turbine a shot to add some. Cars that have exhaust note 'character' tend to not use strait through perf-tube mufflers, they use a chambered muffler of some sort with resonators to 'shape' the sound. Packed perf-tube mufflers create a very mellow sound, but when our cylinder heads and exhaust camshafts already create a very smooth tone,and IMO it leads to the somewhat flat sound that every miata has.

cfdrifter 05-24-2010 05:01 PM

Borla's are quieter than Magnaflows, but not as robust. It shouldn't be an issue on your car.


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