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chriscar 10-21-2009 06:13 PM

Why are my water temps so damn high?
 
Something's up with my water temp since boosting the car. I'm datalogging, and at highway speed it's running at 199* to 207* just cruising at 65mph, and that's on a cool day. Puttering around secondary roads, it's a few degrees higher.

I've bled the system til I'm crosseyed, run with and without a thermostat, and still the car runs hot. I haven't reinstalled the nose air guide or undertray yet. I know that's not helping me, but I don't know to what extent. I borrowed a coolant pressure tester from Advance Auto, and the system holds steady at 20psi. My radiator cap tested bad, so I bought a new one. I tested the thermostat in a pot of water on the stove, and it opens properly.

My setup:
MSPNP / MAF delete / RX7 550's
FM GT2560R kit with FMIC
Koyo 55mm radiator
New radiator cap
Dual Partzfinder 12" fans wired in parallel
New 180* thermostat with 1/8" bleed hole
New WP belt, verified tight
All external hoses replaced with new Mazda parts
80/20 water to coolant

The fans shouldn't even matter at highway speeds, but I have the Megasquirt programmed to turn them on at 190, so they're pretty much always running. Could my water pump be bad? I don't have any indication of a blown head gasket (no milky coolant or white exhaust smoke).

So what am I missing here?

C

crashnscar 10-21-2009 06:21 PM

Put the undertray on, then report back.

neogenesis2004 10-21-2009 06:22 PM

Cuz ur so damned hot. ASL?

curly 10-21-2009 06:29 PM

Indeed, put your under tray back on. What does your timing and fuel look like at those speeds? I know it's happening at slower speeds as well, but you could be running the engine a little hot with running too much timing and/or lean. If the system wasn't properly bled, your needle would be spiking up and down as air bubbles passed by the sensor, so I wouldn't worry about that. Also, it sounds stupid, but have you verified the fans are blowing in the correct direction?

Gotpsi? 10-21-2009 07:06 PM

Your running hot because you dont have this [IMG]http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...x/IMG_1566.jpg[/IMG]

chriscar 10-21-2009 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by crashnscar (Post 471515)
Put the undertray on, then report back.

Ok, that'll be my next step. I was afraid someone would say that. Trimming it to clear the intercooler piping looks like a PITA.


Originally Posted by curly (Post 471518)
Indeed, put your under tray back on. What does your timing and fuel look like at those speeds? I know it's happening at slower speeds as well, but you could be running the engine a little hot with running too much timing and/or lean. If the system wasn't properly bled, your needle would be spiking up and down as air bubbles passed by the sensor, so I wouldn't worry about that. Also, it sounds stupid, but have you verified the fans are blowing in the correct direction?

Timing isn't tuned yet, and I'm at around 12:1 or 13:1 while cruising. Already checked the fan direction, they're good.


Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 471529)
Your running hot because you dont have this

You kid, right?

C

y8s 10-21-2009 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 471529)
Your running hot because you dont have this [IMG]http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...x/IMG_1566.jpg[/IMG]

better get some of these to go with that monstrosity:

http://www.rrmerritt.com/mabelvale/M...urbFeelers.jpg

SKMetalworks 10-21-2009 08:36 PM

my coolant temps hang right around 210 on a hot day, and in boost on a hot day never goes past 215.

Stock rad
80 water/20 antifreeze
happy untill i start tracking.

Savington 10-21-2009 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by chriscar (Post 471533)
Ok, that'll be my next step. I was afraid someone would say that. Trimming it to clear the intercooler piping looks like a PITA.

Trim it as little as possible - it's the OEM radiator ducting and it is hugely important. I bet you never see street temps over 200 degrees with it on.

m2cupcar 10-21-2009 08:39 PM

Cruising at 12-13 is bad...

chriscar 10-21-2009 08:40 PM

Alrighty then, I'll keep my fingers crossed that the ducting and undertray solve it. I built this with the intention of doing tracks days, so unless this gets fixed, my SE-R will keep having all the fun.

C

Gotpsi? 10-21-2009 10:57 PM

Ha ha ya I only run that on the track, but then again I havent driven my car on the street in almost a year now so.. its still on there.

Rushin 10-22-2009 12:51 AM

same going on here. My temps never go bellow 197 degrees. Usually when i boost temps go as high as 212. I have no undertray or air guide. I am going to figure something out soon tho.


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