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jeff_man 06-08-2017 12:39 PM

Wire AFR patern on stock ecu.
 
So I have to stock ECU in current. I was driving to work today and notice while at any rmp/speed while coursing my AFRs are going 14:7 14:6 14:5 14:4 14:3 14:2 back to 14:7. Some times it skips a step but it's going from 14:7 to 14:2 over and over as I drive. The higher the RPM the fast the change.

Anyone ever seen anything like this or know what would cause this? I feel like maybe one of the cylinders is not burning all the fuel or something like that but not sure how to test.

sshamrockk 06-08-2017 02:35 PM

Sound pretty normal to me.. I also have stock ecu with wideband. It's never 14.7 for longer than half a second. It's always hunting, making small changes to fuel trims. All cars do this.

patsmx5 06-08-2017 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by jeff_man (Post 1420555)
So I have to stock ECU in current. I was driving to work today and notice while at any rmp/speed while coursing my AFRs are going 14:7 14:6 14:5 14:4 14:3 14:2 back to 14:7. Some times it skips a step but it's going from 14:7 to 14:2 over and over as I drive. The higher the RPM the fast the change.

Anyone ever seen anything like this or know what would cause this? I feel like maybe one of the cylinders is not burning all the fuel or something like that but not sure how to test.

Closed loop fueling, standard feature.

jeff_man 06-08-2017 03:33 PM

MS with close loop does not hunt like this but it's also not using narrow band. Thought it might be running rich 1/4 and right 2/3 or something like that. One cylinder is not burning all it's fuel, Ect.

Thanks guys.

engineered2win 06-08-2017 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by jeff_man (Post 1420555)
So I have to stock ECU in current. I was driving to work today and notice while at any rmp/speed while coursing my AFRs are going 14:7 14:6 14:5 14:4 14:3 14:2 back to 14:7. Some times it skips a step but it's going from 14:7 to 14:2 over and over as I drive. The higher the RPM the fast the change.

Anyone ever seen anything like this or know what would cause this? I feel like maybe one of the cylinders is not burning all the fuel or something like that but not sure how to test.

That's actually pretty clever for the archaic OEM engine management. Oscillating slightly rich/lean helps keep the catalyst at peak efficiency.

Market fuel does not typically have a stoich ratio of 14.7:1, despite what "common knowledge" says (before anyone asks).

Joe Perez 06-08-2017 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by jeff_man (Post 1420555)
Anyone ever seen anything like this or know what would cause this? I feel like maybe one of the cylinders is not burning all the fuel or something like that but not sure how to test.

As engineered2win observed, this is precisely how OEM ECUs running NBO2 sensors are designed to operate. If you run a properly-tuned MS (or any other aftermarket ECU) with a narrowband sensor, it'll do exactly the same thing.

concealer404 06-09-2017 12:49 AM

Mazda has been doing this since at least the late 80s. 100% normal.

DNMakinson 06-09-2017 06:44 AM

Agree with all, except I am concerned about your Wideband O2 sensor calibration. It should be showing the AFR going above and below 14.7.

Proper operation of ECU with Narrow Band closed loop control typically toggles from 14.5 to 15.2, or slightly rich to slightly lean. Keeps the 3-way catalyst operating correctly.

lbatalha 06-09-2017 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1420728)
Agree with all, except I am concerned about your Wideband O2 sensor calibration. It should be showing the AFR going above and below 14.7.

Proper operation of ECU with Narrow Band closed loop control typically toggles from 14.5 to 15.2, or slightly rich to slightly lean. Keeps the 3-way catalyst operating correctly.

This.
I recently installed a new UEGO 30-0300 WB02 in my 02' with stock ECU, cat and NBO2 and it will oscillate between 14.5/14.6 and 15.1.

DNMakinson 06-09-2017 08:34 AM

Jeff, your thread title is kind of "Wire". It took me a while to understand it.


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