Supercharger Discussion Forum
05-14-2015, 08:54 PM
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I have a question about the caption Supercharger Discussion Forum, specifically the caption which is attached to it "For all you misguided souls". I understand this is miataTURBO.net but why is even the owner of this forum against superchargers?
I don't want this argument to be about which makes more power as such (this is not in that section of the forum for a reason) But I want this to be about is this Turbo is better supercharger attitude all up to personal opinion or is there more to it? I have owned a turbo car before (R32 Skyline) and I have driven a few turbo MX5's (na6+turbo, SE [aus version of Mazdaspeed], NB2 + Turbo), and I have not enjoyed driving either of them. Yes they had more power but won't a supercharger make similar power/$ + better throttle response (which IMO I feel would suit this chassis better) ?
It's not that I hate turbo's I loved my Skyline but wouldn't a supercharger just suit this chassis better?
I ask as I have a NB2 i want to put a kraftwerks kit on but it seems like no one likes superchargers and I am wondering if I am missing something?
I don't want this argument to be about which makes more power as such (this is not in that section of the forum for a reason) But I want this to be about is this Turbo is better supercharger attitude all up to personal opinion or is there more to it? I have owned a turbo car before (R32 Skyline) and I have driven a few turbo MX5's (na6+turbo, SE [aus version of Mazdaspeed], NB2 + Turbo), and I have not enjoyed driving either of them. Yes they had more power but won't a supercharger make similar power/$ + better throttle response (which IMO I feel would suit this chassis better) ?
It's not that I hate turbo's I loved my Skyline but wouldn't a supercharger just suit this chassis better?
I ask as I have a NB2 i want to put a kraftwerks kit on but it seems like no one likes superchargers and I am wondering if I am missing something?
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05-14-2015, 09:56 PM
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Okay that answers a lot of my questions as to why everyone prefers turbo. I do too to be honest, I love the flutter I just have been let down by all the turbo mx5's i've driven. although that powerband being linear does look appealing to me already. Maybe it's time to go and look at some properly set up cars of both turbo and super and see which is actually better for what I want it to do
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05-15-2015, 01:49 AM
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Well I do. I've driven a miata with a medium sized turbo (GT3271) and a big turbo (EFR 7670). And now a miata with a big SC (1.6L pulley'd 2:1) at 20 PSI.
In order of power production, based on seat of the pants/no dyno:
1st: EFR (17 PSI) (landslide victory, lot of power)
2nd: GT3271 (28 PSI) (maybe 350whp, midrange torque was nuts)
3rd: Supercharger (20 PSI) (maybe 350whp, no midrange torque like a turbo though)
That said, from 0-30mph, SC car is wayyy faster. 0-60, SC car is a bit faster. 0-80, GT3271 would probably pass the SC car around 80-90mph mark. After 100 the EFR would fly by both spinning the rear tires in 4th.
SC's are different, it really just drives like a big NA motor. Probably like having a stock LS1 if I reved to 8K to make 400hp, that's what a hot SC motor drives like. It's fun, and it can be powerful.
But turbo motors are easier and cheaper to setup, and that's a big benefit for the turbo. I've done DIY turbo setups and now a DIY SC setup. DIY SC is probably 5x more work! But for me to compare a ~350whp turbo miata to ~350whp SC miata, I'd take the SC no doubt, it's wayyy more fun/responsive, and anyone that things response is a joke, they've never driven a nasty SC'd engine. In 1st gear when you smash the pedal to the floor, the front suspension is fully unloaded before your foot hits the firewall. Turbo motor is at about 106kPa in comparison.
In order of power production, based on seat of the pants/no dyno:
1st: EFR (17 PSI) (landslide victory, lot of power)
2nd: GT3271 (28 PSI) (maybe 350whp, midrange torque was nuts)
3rd: Supercharger (20 PSI) (maybe 350whp, no midrange torque like a turbo though)
That said, from 0-30mph, SC car is wayyy faster. 0-60, SC car is a bit faster. 0-80, GT3271 would probably pass the SC car around 80-90mph mark. After 100 the EFR would fly by both spinning the rear tires in 4th.
SC's are different, it really just drives like a big NA motor. Probably like having a stock LS1 if I reved to 8K to make 400hp, that's what a hot SC motor drives like. It's fun, and it can be powerful.
But turbo motors are easier and cheaper to setup, and that's a big benefit for the turbo. I've done DIY turbo setups and now a DIY SC setup. DIY SC is probably 5x more work! But for me to compare a ~350whp turbo miata to ~350whp SC miata, I'd take the SC no doubt, it's wayyy more fun/responsive, and anyone that things response is a joke, they've never driven a nasty SC'd engine. In 1st gear when you smash the pedal to the floor, the front suspension is fully unloaded before your foot hits the firewall. Turbo motor is at about 106kPa in comparison.
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