$94K nissan?
 

bitch pulease!

Nissan taking pre-orders for Skyline

EVO spec == $94K.. :nono::td:
(base = $57K)

just for comparison, a 4 year old Infiniti Q45, the last $55K+ Nissan sold in the USA, is now worth < $25k.

I wonder how that EVO spec would fare with a $70k Z06 with $20k worth of factory installed/warrantied mods.

Probably not very well. Or how would it do against a Viper?
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Its kind of hard to compare a viper to anything.. I mean its a very primitive car. I think the most advanced system on the viper is the sensor on the convertibles that drops the side windows an inch then raises them to seal with the roof. I'm sure the skyline probably has some nifty electronics systems in it.

If I cared about stuff like that I wouldnt be driving a Miata. Im more intrested in #'s to #'s
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I'll be suprised if the c6z doesn't dominate it now.

I was fortunate to race a Viper GTS and when comes down to performance, I'd hardly say it was primitive. The transition from a club racing Miata to the Viper only took me a couple of laps. It was all about modulating the throttle - driving it was Miata-easy.

I think Nissan is definitely hedging it's bets on a nissan-fanatics and exclusivity.

where's toyota...oh yeah, enjoying their money.

working on the next supra
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...8/newsletter01
http://www.drivingenthusiast.net/sec.../22.html#a2169

Every time I see that^^^ it gets uglier and uglier.
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21 inch rims on the GT-R. I wonder if they spin though.

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/09/...and-tires.html

Good thing I was not implying that the performance was primitive. I am implying that the increased cost of this nissan versus the skyline probably is a function of the increased cost on stupid electronics and retail mark up. Look at the R32 that thing had some nice onboard AWD management (ATTsomething) systems and that was back in the mid 90s. The R34 had some HICAS suspension system, and all wheel steering. They are notorious for building random shit that definitely ups the price tag into these cars.

Ouch, that's too much money for too little car.

that car's gonna be badass (and i think will rip the fattass corvette a new one), and i guess the point of the 90k car is that mods won't be out any time soon to get the 50k car to its hp point, heck the 2007 350z still doesn't have a turbo system....

Lets see... Stock Zo6 has 505hp, new GTR Evo 530. Unless the Evo is significantly lighter it looks like a pretty heads up race. Dump an extra 20K in the Zo6 and the skyline has no chance.

I love that the pre orders aren't refundable! If they roll out a turd sandwich on Oct. 28th you are stuck with it.

i wonder how rare they will be with a $94K price tag...probably as rare as R34's are now in the states...it just seems way to high for a nissan
toyota scrapped the last AWD Supra due to estimated $70K price tag, wtf is nissan thinking with $94K?~!@#$ i dont get it, they must not be anticipating too many of these to be built period...

Nissan will be asking Porsche prices at their budget dealerships. Yeah, we'll see...


Salesman-
No, sir, you dont need the 15k Sentra, what you really need is to step up to this 100k GTR sitting next to it.

One thing you have to think of is it's one of the most technologically advanced Nissan's in the stable. Not to mention the fastest and best handling. Not only that, it has serious motorsport heritage behind it. Appearantly the chassis tuners for Nissan have been lapping the shit out of the Nurbergring. Their target is not only a Porsche, but the Porsche Carrera GT and they're very close to matching or beating it. They've already put the GT3 to shame. The Skyline GT-R is a supercar at not so supercar prices. It's reputation precedes it in the United States thanks to Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport. Personally, if I had the means, I'd have one in my garage. People will buy it no matter what...

Also, have you guys seen the fucking tailpipes on this thing? You could lose your baby in them and even though that's pre-production I don't see much changing.

You will have to do a lot of convincing for a dude with 94k to buy a GT-R. Perhaps the guys in the Gran Turismo world would buy it. Maybe that is what they are hoping for. The GT-R has a history/lineage overseas. Americans cannot relate to it, so it is going to be a hard sell for Nissan. Historically speaking, people in the US didnt want to spend 40-60k on a Japanese sports car in the 90's. That's one of the main reasons that all the of the high powered Japanese sports cars took a dump in the US. The Supra TT, 300ZX TT, RX7 TT, and the 3000GT, and as recent as a couple of years ago, the NSX all priced themselves out of the market. Now, they are going to try and sell a Japanese "Supercar" for double that? I dont see it.

Depends on the dude. You have a mid twenties guy with lots of money and loves the tuner scene. yea he would drop 94k on a rare new version of a GTr. Especially when it has a Nissan badge and is taking down big guns out of germany.

Now on the other hand take anyone into muscle cars, sleepers, or just spending outrageous amounts of money on stuff like Ferrari. Then no, they would not be a buyer for this car.

Its not like there will be one sitting at every Nissan dealer in America either. It will be a limited production car, and each dealer will have to be allocated one. I sell for chevy and its the same case when we have a Z06 on the floor. People dont come in for either a 15k Cobalt or a race ready corvette.

They need to market it under the Infiniti name. It's laughable that Acura, Infiniti and Lexus cars are all labeled Honda, Nissan and Toyota in the rest of the world. 15 years ago the US market just wouldn't pay that much money for what was perceived as a budget brand. New names and separate dealerships and the US bought into them big time. Jeez we're sheep. Bah.

Personally I'd buy a GTR! I'd just buy mine 3 years old for 1/3 the money.

there's an 06 Z06 for BIN ebay $50k... wonder what $40k would do for it. :gay:

unless theres lots of miles thats about 15k under book. Im not sure what you could spend 40k on for a zo6 without making it look stupid or undriveable.

Not really, look at the numbers, take a test drive and I think the product sells itself. Infiniti tried to get Nissan to place it as an Infiniti in the U.S., but Carlos Ghosn said no, that it began it's life as a Nissan and will be brought to every market as a Nissan. I think the marketing blitz will compare it directly with cars such as the Porsche GT3, Aston Martin Vantage, Lamborghini Gallardo, Audi R8 (which is more a competitor for it in terms of price), and the Ferrari F430 (not the Scuderia or CS). It's 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times, and possibly even lap times at the Nordschlieffe. It's power figures fall right in line with all of those cars from all the speculations and "leaks". Similar to what they did with the Titans, at the dealerships they had little stands with posters showing comparisons to the Chevy 1500, Ford F150 and Toyota Tundra. People were up in arms when the GT-R ceased production and when the GT-R Proto was shown 3 years ago the collective murmur was deafening.

I'm not going to argue that getting people to part with $94k for "just a Nissan" may be a stretch for some, but it's going to sell no matter what. Not on the same scale as the Sentra or Altima, but without a doubt dealerships will be backordered on this car.

:gay:

i don't even think that the 3000gt is in the same league as the others, vr4 or not

Many Lexus' are marketed as Lexus in the rest of the world. Infiniti is beginning to be sold in the European market right now.

The big thing is, the rest of the world knew what a Skyline was long before Playstation brought it to the U.S. via gaming. When Motorex brought the R-32, 33, and 34 over, a 10 year old R-32 would cost you $29k and a 2 year old R-34 GT-R would still fetch almost $90k. They sold and did so with limited resources in terms of replacement parts and what not in the U.S. since no other car shared it's goodies. With an installed dealer network and a factory warranty, why wouldn't anyone who would be willing to buy an R-34 be willing to buy an R-35?

well the 300zx cant be compared either....the supra with the 2jzde-tt and the rx-7 with a 13b-tt are like the two "super cars" of the day

i see pleanty of 300zx turbo and no-turbo...how often do you see a 3rd gen RX-7 or a Supra?

Dont forget the world's first VVT w/ pushrods :dancegay:

None of these cars are in the same class as the GT-R, the R-33 Skyline GT-R was the first non-supercar to lap the Nordschlieffe in less than 8 minutes. Virtually every form of motorsport the Skyline GT-R entered it dominated. It has a pedigree almost unmatched by any other mass produced vehicle.

damn, $94k is a lot! At that price I'll buy a used sportcar:)

I predict these cars will sell in the NOVA/ cali area haha. I mean seriously, I see more porsche GT(x)s here along with lambos and vipers then i've ever seen in my life. People just dont care about money sometimes. That is the market Nissan is after.

I don't understand why people always bring up the make of a car when complaining about price, as if only Porsches, Ferraris and Lambos are the only cars allowed to breach $65k.

"$65k for a Chevy?!?!"

Yep, a Chevy that blows away cars three times its price.

I mean, would it help some of those idiots if the GTR were badged an Infiniti? If the answer is "yes," then you're just a vain asshole.

Did branding the NSX an Acura make it any less of a Honda?! No, of course not, but Honda probably realized the rich pricks that would be shopping the car would prefer it have a name with more perceived cachet.

Yes, $94k is a lot, but is it a lot compared to other ~500hp, high-end sports cars? Nope. There are a couple cheaper than that, and there are several more expensive. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

It will be a beast, no doubt about it, and no one here is stating that it wouldnt be. However, we go back to the fact that, outside of the Playstation crew, Nissan needs a serious marketing approach to sell the American public on it. 94k in any respect is a lot of money. My point is being missed here. Those Japanese sports cars sold here in the US went buy-buy due to cost and a lack of demand. Granted, that this will be a sought after car by those individuals that really want one. Especially those that are interested in the GT Class type cars, such as Aston, Porsche, Masaratti, and Ferrari. I throw in the Astons and the Masaratti's because I think everyone here knows that you will not be able to walk out of the dealership with one for under
100k or more, if you are lucky enough to get on the waiting list and you actually get one. Also, as someone said about badges and names, yes, when you drop 94k on a car you are buying that car for a number of reasons. One of which is the name. Nissan is more of a household name than say Aston Martin. People that buy Astons buy them because 1) they are Astons 2) because they can 3) the Astons will give them a sense of entitlement. Your not going to envoke that same feeling with a Nissan, sorry.

The price makes the new LSx Camaro look like a steal. (You can get an Audi R8 for around that)

the reality of the matter is that everything is getting more expensive
look at the M5's, AMG's etc...Nissan is not as easily associated with high performance or as high end as BMW and MB, but the GT-R badge is well respected amongst enthusiasts, therefore it will invoke the younger rich vs the older rich, which btw are fewer, so not that many will be sold period...shit i would buy one if i could easily afford it!!! but no can do

Okay, what I'm trying to do is get you guys to think OUTSIDE the box here. And when I say outside hte box I mean outside U.S. borders.

Nissan is EASILY associated with high performance otherwise the imported Skylines by Motorex would not have sold. Go to their website and look at the prices. Do you think some pimply faced kid can afford a $29k 12 year old car or a $80k 5 year old car? No, they sold because of the fact that not only the PS generation knows about them. Why do you think the 350Z is such a great seller? It's offers high performance for a reasonable price. My prediction, and I know I'm not far off, is that this new Skyline GT-R will win all sorts of awards from all teh different magazines and organizations this year and next year. Just like when the NSX came out, the top exotica will be having to play catch up to a "mere" Japanese car.

Thinking OUTSIDE the box doesnt has nothing to do with it. We know what the car means to the people outside the US. We are talking about sales on US soil. It is about Nissan getting it across to Americans what the car means, seeing the value in it, and selling them on it. It will be a tough sale to the majority of the people that can actually afford to buy it. Nissan= Maxima, Altima, Titan and 350Z. All cars that are in the 30k range. It will hard for peeps to swallow a 100k car from the same manufacturer. Time will tell.

Dodge did it with the Viper

Honda did it with the NSX

VW/Audi it with the R8

Toyota/Lexus will do it

Ford did it with the GT

it was only a matter of time before Nissan released a near 100K Flagship car

I'm sure that quality will be on par with other companies flagship cars.

for example: Porsche has spent the last 50 years building towards a $100k sportscar. Back in '58 my dad was choosing between a 356 and an AH bugeye. He picked the bugeye because he fit with the top up. The 356 was more expensive, but not by enough to put it out of his budget and in another category.

I do think the hurdle will be throwing a car in the lap of Nissan fans that cost three times anything Nissan sells. The bigger hurdle will be luring away the buyers of other $100k sportscars. Maybe the Nissan "gadget factory" will sway those who only by a Porsche turbo for it's cool factor? Or an M5 for it's exclusivity?

I only think it will be a hurdle for prospective buyers who are "posers," wanting nothing less than a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo badge for that amount of money.

They are not true fans of performance sports cars, though.

the skyline will kick ass. that is why it will sell. not only will it sell to all those people that always wanted an r32,r33,or r34 but couldn't get one, but it's fast. supposedly it will beat alll the corvettes porsches bmws audis and all that. 95k is right around the correct price. and you just wait till nismo gets their hands on it.

the buyer for this car will be as rare as the car itself, so do not hope to see one on a daily/weekly basis, expect it to be as rare as the NSX...if not more rare in the US...i assume half of the buyers will be race/teams

I bet most sportscar buyers aren't true fans of performance sports cars. I think they're buying the image and the gadgets. It's almost by default that sportscars become the flagship model for the brand. It becomes the car on the lot to "have". At least I think that explains the evolution of these marques from performance to plush.

When I see the performance of the Z06 and read the reviews, I can't imagine buying a porsche or some other high dollar brand for more money, and I love porsches. Rather I'd buy the Z06 and then take the save dough and pick up a good 73 911 faux RSR with a 3.X liter in it.

gotta remember...its not a skyline...its a GTR....from what i've been reading this design is not going to be sold in Japan, so its basically just for america and prob Europe.

It's Nissan's global flagship car. That means it will be sold in all markets, the same thing Pagani will be doing with the replacement for the Zonda C12. It North American market is vital to increasing sales volume and Nissan/Renault leadership (Carlos Ghosn) was smart enough to see that. This is why we will be getting the Skyline GT-R. I believe the percentage of Skylines destined for U.S. soil is somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40%. That is how much faith he has in selling that car here and he's not known for making bad decisions. Make no mistake, just because some of us aren't willing to spring $60-94k for a Nissan, there are plenty of people out there that will. I have every confidence that someone who is shopping for a car in the $80-130k range performance car will take more than a passing glance at the R-35 and it will probably steal sales from it's competitors.

You can bet Nismo will have parts available at roll out, the developement of this car has taken the better part of 3 years and I can guarantee you Nismo had a hand in the BASE model. Similar to the way Prodrive had a hand in designing the chassis for the last generation Impreza. Especially considering Nismo IS Nissan.

You make a very good point, but along the same lines, during the evolution of the model, the manufacturer continually attempts to make the car, not only faster/more powerful, but also easier to drive, live with on a daily basis, etc. in order to appeal to the broadest customer base.

New price details...

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/26/n...around-68-000/