[Warning: M.net content] Turbos make more power but superchargers make more 'torque'
02-22-2010, 11:41 PM
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**** it.
The one person I was attempting to give personal first hand evidence to completely ignored every factual point I've put forward proving his 'lag' argument was useless..
I quit, it blew up two more pages and I'm really not feeling like reading.
The one person I was attempting to give personal first hand evidence to completely ignored every factual point I've put forward proving his 'lag' argument was useless..
I quit, it blew up two more pages and I'm really not feeling like reading.
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02-22-2010, 11:47 PM
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Well, all this controversy just goes to prove that there is no clear winner in the never ending battle of Turbo vs. Super....
This is when I too, tap out. I mean, why go out of your way to try and help people when the dill-holes (not this guy, others) with stupid pre-concieved opinions and zero fact (except) drown out any technical knowledge or even a kid who is an Eng. student and runs the **** out of his car all over Southern/Mid-Cal?
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02-23-2010, 12:11 AM
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Neither was this guy...
How could you understand 1/3 of that and even close to believe that a roots type blower, hot or coldside, would come out anywhere near. Maybe he just didn't want to read, as well.
This is when I too, tap out. I mean, why go out of your way to try and help people when the dill-holes (not this guy, others) with stupid pre-concieved opinions and zero fact (except) drown out any technical knowledge or even a kid who is an Eng. student and runs the **** out of his car all over Southern/Mid-Cal?
How could you understand 1/3 of that and even close to believe that a roots type blower, hot or coldside, would come out anywhere near. Maybe he just didn't want to read, as well.
This is when I too, tap out. I mean, why go out of your way to try and help people when the dill-holes (not this guy, others) with stupid pre-concieved opinions and zero fact (except) drown out any technical knowledge or even a kid who is an Eng. student and runs the **** out of his car all over Southern/Mid-Cal?
I still can't figure out why people like that can't understand when you throw down the throttle on a turbo car its going to do the exact same thing everytime. Every time you hit WOT @ ANY rpm, repeating WOT at that same RPM will yield the same results. They make it out to sound like you're shootin' craps at a red light table in someones basement with a .45 up to your head by driving a turbo vehicle.. You just never know when you're gonna crap out and crash or completely end the universe!
Something I've noticed working a lot of auto-x events is there are a lot of people who try and just don't understand the concept of throttle control. Sad to say its a lot of honda owners vehicle has 2 throttle positions, pinned to the floor or off. You try and give some advice to them wanting to help better their times but most don't listen to that either. I was guilty of binary throttle for a long *** time until I asked a seasoned VERY good driver to ride with me and give me tips, one of which was to correct throttle control.
Let him have his glory, he'll never know what hes missing out on.
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02-23-2010, 12:29 AM
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The entire problem is that half them AND half of you guys are totally unwilling to admit that superchargers do things that turbos do not do.
The other half of the problem is that most of the people on each side of the argument have virtually no experience with the other type of FI.
The other half of the problem is that most of the people on each side of the argument have virtually no experience with the other type of FI.
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02-23-2010, 01:20 AM
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that sjmarcey dude is insane. he's the only one that keeps bring up "lag" he dumps in any sort of delay at all to the term; be it turbo or gearing or even hesitating on the line
When I defined the true definition of turbo lag, he stated it was too commercialized for him to accept.
Is Turbo Lag a genuine issue? - MX-5 Miata Forum
When I defined the true definition of turbo lag, he stated it was too commercialized for him to accept.
Is Turbo Lag a genuine issue? - MX-5 Miata Forum
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02-23-2010, 01:29 AM
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Yup, takes 2 minutes of reading to figure out who has real racing experience and who is just doing forum racing.
IIRC in that thread Savington, Emilio and sjmarcy were the guys who had posts worth reading. Everything else was mostly worthless noise by the keyboard racers ...
IIRC in that thread Savington, Emilio and sjmarcy were the guys who had posts worth reading. Everything else was mostly worthless noise by the keyboard racers ...
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02-23-2010, 01:31 AM
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Dont you guys know?! A PD S/C setup with a FMIC idles great! 
I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along
Unfortnately it had a shitty tune and the owner couldn't take it past 1/2 throttle before leaning out completely. Still made 13-15psi at 1/2 throttle and felt like 160rwhp or so based off my butt-dyno. I hope I can help the new owner with a base tune so he's **** doesn't blow up too fast before he can get a professional tune.
I got to page 3 on that thread and figured out I was wasting time lol.
I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along
Unfortnately it had a shitty tune and the owner couldn't take it past 1/2 throttle before leaning out completely. Still made 13-15psi at 1/2 throttle and felt like 160rwhp or so based off my butt-dyno. I hope I can help the new owner with a base tune so he's **** doesn't blow up too fast before he can get a professional tune.
I got to page 3 on that thread and figured out I was wasting time lol.
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02-23-2010, 07:44 AM
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For me personally, it whines
I've had people comment that the car is easier to drive than their turbo'd 5's, but I have no preference over either, so you can't flame me
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02-23-2010, 07:48 AM
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Dont you guys know?! A PD S/C setup with a FMIC idles great!
I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along
I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along
Still i'd quite like to own it, bit of a mission to get it here though
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