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Ryan_G 06-11-2013 11:02 AM

2015 Ford Mustang
 
Article with some new confirmed information here:

2015 Ford Mustang Details Surface | AutoGuide.com News

With Ford's plans to make the mustang a global platform I am curious what direction they take one of the most iconic American cars. To even have a chance in Europe of real sales I assume it is going to have to shrink quite a bit and become more of a proper sports car instead of a pony car. This might alienate some of the market here in the States while also drawing in new customers. I for one would love it if they gave it a much better interior quality and put it on a diet. The new independent rear suspension is also pretty sexy if they do it properly. What are everyone else's thoughts?

18psi 06-11-2013 11:08 AM

If they got it down to sub 3300lb that would be splendid.

But that will never happen so I'll keep not caring about them.

Doppelgänger 06-11-2013 11:11 AM

I am a fan of the current Mustang line-up...really. I'm watching this one with interest.

triple88a 06-11-2013 12:32 PM

Hmm i hate the current model of the mustang however this one seems quite nice. The head lights seem to be ripped off from the evo though.

Tekel 06-11-2013 12:46 PM

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Can't tell a lot from the camo, but the overall lines look good. Looks like they are shrinking it down instead of going the route of Dodge and Chevy.

Next SVT Mustang may axe Shelby name, go naturally aspirated - Autoblog
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370969186

Doppelgänger 06-11-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1020632)
Hmm i hate the current model of the mustang however this one seems quite nice. The head lights seem to be ripped off from the evo though.

I dunno...there is something about them that I cannot put my finger on as to why I like them.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370972282

Scrappy Jack 06-11-2013 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1020601)
What are everyone else's thoughts?


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1020603)
If they got it down to sub 3300lb that would be splendid.


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 1020604)
I am a fan of the current Mustang line-up...really. I'm watching this one with interest.

I'm with these two idiots. The current Mustang is a ridiculous value on paper and can really look quite good (in my opinion; see Dopple's post). There is just something about it that misses the mark for me in its current iteration.

If it looks as good as the Evos concept and they can bring the weight down to ~3300 lbs or so, I'd be very interested.

It'll be interesting to see the final product and the reactions. To sell in Europe, I would think they would need to consider a turbo-4 cylinder as a base option and that might mean they cut the weight to accomodate the smaller engine and higher fuel economy requirements.

thenuge26 06-11-2013 02:12 PM

Base Mustang with a 1L 3-cylinder ecoboost?

OK maybe that's going a bit too far.

y8s 06-11-2013 02:58 PM

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Here are some more concept sketches of the new mustang:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370977090

Ryan_G 06-11-2013 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1020723)
Here are some more concept sketches of the new mustang:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370977090

+1 LOL!

You all realize that the image in the article is not the final design and was just a concept right? The change will more then likely not be that dramatic. I love the way the current ones look from the outside but I think the interior is very lacking. I also think it is a pig.

Scrappy Jack 06-11-2013 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1020723)
Here are some more concept sketches of the new mustang:

If they pull out the crappy 2.0L that's in there now and toss in a 2.0L EcoBoost, they might just have a winner!

y8s 06-11-2013 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 1020744)
If they pull out the crappy 2.0L that's in there now and toss in a 2.0L EcoBoost, they might just have a winner!

a 4 cylinder mustang is "classic"

a 4 cylinder turbo mustang is "nouveau classique" and a great idea.

Hell, call it 3200 lbs and 250 hp as a base model.

FRT_Fun 06-11-2013 04:35 PM

2.3L Ecoboooooooos at 350hp? Too bad the interiors are still garbage.

Stealth97 06-11-2013 06:28 PM

I hope the next mustang has a couple thousand veyron stomping horsepower and sells for around $10k, that way I can pick up a nice coyote powered model on the cheap

z31maniac 06-11-2013 07:23 PM

Can I ask (and biased as someone who owned a '13 GT Mustang with the Track Pack), why do people give a damn what the fucking dash feels like in a car?

I can't think of any car I've ever owned where I spent time caressing the dash wishing it was made of the finest Corinthian leather. Or rubbing the door cards wishing it was suede.

Steering wheel and shift knob were leather, seats were comfy, and pedals nicely spaced for heel/toe...... + a ridiculous engine and far better handling than should be available with a stick axle. I bought my track pack (special ordered) out the door for $30k.......but then complain about the dash? lulz


The EcoBoost rumor is a proposed reboot of the SVO nameplate.

I suspect the weight targets people (myself included) want won't be able to be matched without making it physically smaller, which would be nice. But the S197, especially the 11+ cars, are insanely rigid chassis wise.

FRT_Fun 06-11-2013 08:11 PM

If the interior that I spend most of my timing look at (of course not directly since I'm driving) is ugly, it takes away some of the sense of goodness. It doesn't have to be high-tech and flashy. Even a simple set up that doesn't make my eyes want to puke would be acceptable.

miata2fast 06-11-2013 08:16 PM

I just do not understand why the current car has to be so gianormous. The generation I grew up with in the 80's and 90's seemed to be the perfect size for a pony car.

Ryan_G 06-11-2013 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1020837)
If the interior that I spend most of my timing look at (of course not directly since I'm driving) is ugly, it takes away some of the sense of goodness. It doesn't have to be high-tech and flashy. Even a simple set up that doesn't make my eyes want to puke would be acceptable.

This. Many new cars, especially American and Korean cars, are filled with cheap looking hard plastics and terrible ergonomics. It looks like shit and makes me enjoy the car less. My mazdaspeed does not have a phenomenal interior IMO but it is nice for what it is and it is simple.

z31maniac 06-11-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1020844)
This. Many new cars, especially American and Korean cars, are filled with cheap looking hard plastics and terrible ergonomics. It looks like shit and makes me enjoy the car less. My mazdaspeed does not have a phenomenal interior IMO but it is nice for what it is and it is simple.

I owned a 2010 Speed 3, the interior was miserable and made of horrifically cheap materials. When I traded it in at 16k miles the bolsters were already showing very noticeable wear, almost as bad as my 350Z.

I think the interior in my Mustang was far nicer to live with:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370998319

Full_Tilt_Boogie 06-11-2013 09:19 PM

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I like my '11
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370999959

Id like it more if it was lighter and had IRS, but for what it costs, I cant complain.
The suspension is a lot more well sorted than the older mustangs.

They said the new one is supposed to be smaller and lighter, but Ill ebleive it when I see it.

Opti 06-11-2013 10:24 PM

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I dont think the interiors are that bad. Its just that shit interior and American car are synonymous in people's minds because it was like that so long. American cars have made huge strides in interior in the last few years.

Motortrend said the new Dodge was the first 30K truck where you got an interior equivalent to a 30K car. The didnt say that about an import truck.

Lexus IS interior. Start at 35K
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371003878

Mustang GT interior
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371003878

Is the mustang interior that much worse. I actually dont think so. Plus the Lexus is a luxury car, they are supposed to have nice interiors.

Heres a shit interior, never here anyone talk about it.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371003878
Thats because all imports have awesome interiors and all american cars have shit interiors.

triple88a 06-12-2013 06:52 AM

Way too cluttered. I like simple.


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1020850)


z31maniac 06-12-2013 08:07 AM

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I'm not seeing how this is so much simpler?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371038877

I owned both and the Mustang interior was much nicer, quieter on the highway, etc.

Stein 06-12-2013 08:42 AM

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How's this for cluttered?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371040997

I still think my BMW is hard to beat. This is mine exactly down to the wood and leather color. I also think the dash looks better without the nav in it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371040997

Tekel 06-12-2013 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1020723)
Here are some more concept sketches of the new mustang:

FRS/BRZ

I thought the exact same thing when I saw the lines under the camo.

Scrappy Jack 06-12-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1020952)
I owned both and the Mustang interior was much nicer, quieter on the highway, etc.

There are some differences but they are subtle, subjective, and hard to pin down. For example, negatives for the Mustang interior pictured in tan are the "panel gaps" (e.g. between the center stack and center console), the way some of the materials look like they will feel, some large "blank" spaces in the plastics (e.g. around the headlight dial), the chunky and blocky lines (e.g. the center console looks like it came out of a 1/2 ton pickup), etc.


All that said, I think a lot of it is summed up well by Opti:


Originally Posted by Opti (Post 1020872)
I dont think the interiors are that bad. Its just that shit interior and American car are synonymous in people's minds because it was like that so long. American cars have made huge strides in interior in the last few years.

[...]

Thats because all imports have awesome interiors and all american cars have shit interiors.

My wife recently had a Chevy Malibu as a rental car, but not the most recent two iterations. I guess this was a mid-2000s model (2006-2008). It was the incarnation of all the negative stereotypes regarding domestic brand interiors.

Doppelgänger 06-12-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1020839)
I just do not understand why the current car has to be so gianormous. The generation I grew up with in the 80's and 90's seemed to be the perfect size for a pony car.

They are pretty small compared to the new Challenger and Camaro...both of which are over-sized dumptrucks. Though the styling of the Challenger is pretty cool, esp. in SRT trim or when modded in a non-hoodrat way. The new Camaro is just a ugly piece of ghetto shit...nothing can make that car look good....nothing.

Ryan_G 06-12-2013 09:53 AM

z31 You keep linking random mazdas and other imports that I never said had nice interiors. The mazdaspeed that I referenced was my Miata not an MS3. I also stated that almost all new cars have terrible interiors with cheap plastics. I just stressed that American cars and Korean cars from my experience have been worse. This was from my experience test driving a ton of cars back in late 2011 when I was looking for my next ride. The ergonomics and cluttered look are also a concern in a lot of new cars. I am not saying the Mustang is terrible for its class or even below average. I think most new car interiors are very blah.

18psi 06-12-2013 10:02 AM

I never really cared about interiors until I got a car that has a terrible one: my vette lol.
Its bad. Really bad. Driving the miata and vette back to back I suddenly think my '01 NB interior is really really nice. But I comfort myself with the amazing torque the fact that it looks good on the outside haha

oh and to whoever compared the mustang and lexus IS interiors: LOLOLOLOL
Don't even consider comparing those two. What you see in some google image picture doesn't tell even 5% of the story. New Lexus IS interior is simply hands down one of the best out there now. Mustang can't even touch it.

z31maniac 06-12-2013 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1020995)
z31 You keep linking random mazdas and other imports that I never said had nice interiors. The mazdaspeed that I referenced was my Miata not an MS3. I also stated that almost all new cars have terrible interiors with cheap plastics. I just stressed that American cars and Korean cars from my experience have been worse. This was from my experience test driving a ton of cars back in late 2011 when I was looking for my next ride. The ergonomics and cluttered look are also a concern in a lot of new cars. I am not saying the Mustang is terrible for its class or even below average. I think most new car interiors are very blah.

I've linked only an MS3 and my old Mustang, the other pics were linked by other posters. :noob:

I was merely posting that my recent experience between Japanese and American interiors has been in favor of the Mustang. My last few cars before the '13 Mustang were a '11 Frontier (Pro-4X with cheap, vinyl feeling leather), '10 MS3, and a '06 350Z Grand Touring..at 30k miles the bolsters were falling apart, by 50k both seats would have needed a complete recover. Really, really pathetic on a car with an MSRP north of $35k in 2006 dollars. The BOSE was also TERRIBLE compared to the Rockford Fosgate in the truck.

The Mustang interior felt nicer than any of the previous DDs. Either way, it's all subjective and we aren't going to agree.

18psi 06-12-2013 10:13 AM

Lets all just agree that if the rustang went on a serious diet we'd all really want one hehe

z31maniac 06-12-2013 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1021002)
Lets all just agree that if the rustang went on a serious diet we'd all really want one hehe

It definitely needs one!

I mainly ditched mine since running costs were eating into the track budget. 16-17mpg combined on a tank that was mostly highway (the 3.73s in the Track Pack killed mileage.......but scratching 4th gear was infinitely entertaining), 9 quarts of 5w-50, etc.

I think the stock front pads for the Brembo's made Carbotech's look cheap.

RyanRaduechel 06-12-2013 10:43 AM

I want one of the new 5.0 as it is, but the way I want it is $43k. I ain't even about to pay that lolz. I did test drive a new 5.0 car, I liked the interior. The one I drove had the touch screen and and all that stuff. One Mustang that I absolutely hate, and that is everything about it. Looks, interior, and how I felt in the car is the 2007-2009 models. They look terrible, I hate the driver orientation in the car, I hate how the steering wheel feels.

My brother has a 87 5.slow hatch back. I keep telling him to make a single turbo drag car. But he won't listen to me.

calteg 06-12-2013 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 1020854)

They said the new one is supposed to be smaller and lighter, but Ill ebleive it when I see it.

Just like the 370z was going to be lighter than the 350z
and the NC was going to be the same weight as the NB


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