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JasonC SBB 11-18-2013 12:33 PM

The 2015 Maxi
 
2015 Mini Cooper: This Is It

It's HUGE!

I was stopped beside one of those huge AWD versions at a light, while I was in the 750i, and its beltline and eyepoint were higher than my car!

Braineack 11-18-2013 12:38 PM

wait, what?

it's a slightly larger mini... why is this thing huge? do those even come in AWD? Are you thinking of the Countryman?

rleete 11-18-2013 12:42 PM

Interior is ugly.

supercooper 11-18-2013 12:45 PM

Gotta be thinking of the countryman... i mean, the Mini HAS gotten bigger and bigger with every New Generation, but usually only by a few inches. The countryman however is a bigger crossover version of the mini, and as of now, the only mini that comes in AWD.
Ive owned an 05, and 08, and now have an 03. The 05 and 03 were both R53 models, so no real difference other than a couple aesthetic peices, and the 03 has better engine bracing. The 08 (R56) WAS noticeably bigger compared to my other 2, but only a mini owner would really notice without pulling out measuring tapes to log the few inches of difference.

18psi 11-18-2013 01:34 PM

lolol I called it the Maxi cooper on another site a few days ago, you read my mind

y8s 11-18-2013 02:01 PM

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y8s does not give a fuck.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384801261


Mini countryman Cooper S All 4 length: 161.8 inches

NC miata length: 158.3 inches

BMW 7 series: 200 inches or feet or yards or something.

18psi 11-18-2013 02:06 PM

I feel like every year mini takes an air compressor, hooks up a mini to it, and balloons it up more and more.

In for 2020 Mini that doesn't need wheels cause its perfectly round

Midtenn 11-18-2013 02:09 PM

Fiat is following closely behind with the 500s.

JasonC SBB 11-18-2013 03:20 PM

I'm still getting used to the 750's immense length. I keep "schoolbussing" (clipping) curbs with the right rear wheel when I enter a parking lot.

But I kid you not the Countryman is way taller.

turbofan 11-18-2013 03:43 PM

Can't believe how fugly that new mini is. Love what some of the commenters are leaving as image inspirations for the Mini's styling. It's just horrible!!

JasonC SBB 11-18-2013 03:48 PM

It's like an overgrown puppy. The proportions suggest it's small, then when you come close, you're taken aback by its immensity, like some kind of Fukushima freak.

FRT_Fun 11-18-2013 03:58 PM

Still relatively small. But damn that thing sure is eating it's wheaties. Still though my Volvo barely fits in the garage. The miata almost had enough room to park another in there. And I'm sure the mini is still much much shorter, and maybe only a bit taller, than the volvo.

y8s 11-18-2013 05:02 PM

not sure if MINI traditionalists or just afraid of change...


another datapoint: countryman all4 uses same rear diff as GT-R. and I guess the one-off Juke-R...

turbofan 11-18-2013 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1074478)
not sure if MINI traditionalists or just afraid of change...


another datapoint: countryman all4 uses same rear diff as GT-R. and I guess the one-off Juke-R...

And the 5-cylinder engine in VWs shares its cylinder head design with the Lambo Gallargo. It doesn't make it good.

The Countryman is an overpriced, overweight piece of marketing. There are other vehicles that provide more practicality and space and luxury at a lower price. It's insane.

Yes, I know you have one. Yes, I think you paid too much for a marketing ploy. Fun to drive? Sure. But other cars are too.

My issue with the new Mini isn't size, either. Yes it's bigger, 4.7 inches bigger in length which really does kinda defeat the purpose. But holy hell they uglified it. It's just so damn ugly! I loved the first of the new-gen Minis, and really liked the second too. But this one? :barf: :facepalm:

supercooper 11-18-2013 05:14 PM

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i like My mini Miata... it feels smaller than my mini Mini..


My dads Big truck, but i like the comparison. the back bumpers are aligned.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384812892


and, The 2 cars in this pic are only 10-12 feet staggered across the street from one another, but the perspective makes my Mini look mini-er than my mini-er Miata
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384812892


The Mini is good for pissing off Assholes who like to park like assholes... I should put this in the appropriate thread. That dude was pissed that i parked there... lmao

http://i40.tinypic.com/21blwxt.jpg

y8s 11-18-2013 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074481)
And the 5-cylinder engine in VWs shares its cylinder head design with the Lambo Gallargo. It doesn't make it good.

The Countryman is an overpriced, overweight piece of marketing. There are other vehicles that provide more practicality and space and luxury at a lower price. It's insane.

Yes, I know you have one. Yes, I think you paid too much for a marketing ploy. Fun to drive? Sure. But other cars are too.

It's insane? Name 3 other options that include everything you just listed at less money for what you get.
Hint: it's not the CX-5 which costs just as much with fewer options.

supercooper 11-18-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1074486)
It's insane? Name 3 other options that include everything you just listed at less money for what you get.
Hint: it's not the CX-5 which costs just as much with fewer options.

The CX-5 IS pretty bare bones in comparison... the CX-7 is nice, but it costs more and STILL has fewer options

turbofan 11-18-2013 05:33 PM

For one, the CX-5 is not bare bones. But it's not what I'm thinking of.

looking at what, $32k?

supercooper 11-18-2013 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074488)
For one, the CX-5 is not bare bones. But it's not what I'm thinking of.

looking at what, $32k?

I meant in comparison to a Countryman... the CX5 is pretty damn nice overall, just comparing the features for the price.
Then again, i havent seen a NEW CX5... Last time i saw one was when i worked at Mazda in 2009

EDIT it was brought to my attention that i confused the CX5 and CX7, with the CX7 and CX9 of that time.


But yeah... All the features Excluding the JCW package runs right around $34,595

turbofan 11-18-2013 06:01 PM

??? The CX-5 didn't come out til 2013 sir. So it has nothing to do with whatever they were selling in '09. The new CX-5 is seriously quite awesome, and it is one of the vehicles I would buy over the Countryman.

I would also go for a Forester XT over a Countryman. Also: BMW X1. Also: Jetta Sportwagen TDI (although not AWD). Also: Ford Escape SEL 2.0L EcoBoost (don't laugh... 240hp, 270tq, leather seats, awd). Also: VW Tiguan. Also: WRX. Yes I'm serious.

supercooper 11-18-2013 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074495)
??? The CX-5 didn't come out til 2013 sir. So it has nothing to do with whatever they were selling in '09. The new CX-5 is seriously quite awesome, and it is one of the vehicles I would buy over the Countryman.

I would also go for a Forester XT over a Countryman. Also: BMW X1. Also: Jetta Sportwagen TDI (although not AWD). Also: Ford Escape SEL 2.0L EcoBoost (don't laugh... 240hp, 270tq, leather seats, awd). Also: VW Tiguan. Also: WRX. Yes I'm serious.

AH.. ok, so it was the CX7 and the CX9..... I apologize for that. I was Cornfused for a minute there

supercooper 11-18-2013 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074495)
??? The CX-5 didn't come out til 2013 sir. So it has nothing to do with whatever they were selling in '09. The new CX-5 is seriously quite awesome, and it is one of the vehicles I would buy over the Countryman.

I would also go for a Forester XT over a Countryman. Also: BMW X1. Also: Jetta Sportwagen TDI (although not AWD). Also: Ford Escape SEL 2.0L EcoBoost (don't laugh... 240hp, 270tq, leather seats, awd). Also: VW Tiguan. Also: WRX. Yes I'm serious.

Just looked it up... DEFINITELY quite awesome... Sorry about the cornfusion. I knew there were 2 CX vehicles back then, just forgot about the CX9, and didnt know there was a CX5. lol

I really like the CX5, especially with a roofrack...

I cant speak for those others you mentioned though, because ive never messed with any of them. They all look pretty decent though.

Im still a diehard MINI fan though... lol
I drove the countryman, and it is incredibly sturdy, and very fun. And at the time, it came with a snowboard rack, and a complete Burton snowboard.... So TAKE THAT CX5... lmao jk
I just wont buy a countryman, because i like the regular Mini Cooper body. I bought it because its a Mini. But IF i wanted a bigger Mini, thats what i might go for. idk..

turbofan 11-18-2013 06:29 PM

No worries man. Mazda really stepped up their game with the CX-5.

I currently sell the Forester, the WRX and the Mazda. I have previously sold the Escapes, the SportWagen, and the Tiguan. I am familiar with all of them, and they're all really nice vehicles.

I have never driven a Countryman, but have sat in them and read about them and am just not impressed. Maybe they really are that much more fun to drive, but I can't imagine paying that much for a vehicle that is so small but still so heavy. If it's gonna be heavy, shouldn't it at least be big? And a 1.6l? Nope.

supercooper 11-18-2013 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074503)
No worries man. Mazda really stepped up their game with the CX-5.

I currently sell the Forester, the WRX and the Mazda. I have previously sold the Escapes, the SportWagen, and the Tiguan. I am familiar with all of them, and they're all really nice vehicles.

I have never driven a Countryman, but have sat in them and read about them and am just not impressed. Maybe they really are that much more fun to drive, but I can't imagine paying that much for a vehicle that is so small but still so heavy. If it's gonna be heavy, shouldn't it at least be big? And a 1.6l? Nope.

I think it IS the fun factor that sells them... Owning a Mini myself, and having driven one... I can HONESTLY say that the handling is surprisingly VERY similar. And the AWD makes up for the weight (compared to a regular mini) Making for a bigger heavier vehicle that handles just as well.
Now, im sure on the track the Cooper will have the Countryman hands down, but just driving it, it is very surprising. lol

turbofan 11-18-2013 06:41 PM

Yeah, it probably is pretty good to drive. The magazines didn't seem to care for it much but that could have just been their Mini traditionalism.

It really doesn't matter which one I would buy, either, since I'm not going to buy any of them. though I'd go for a CX-5 diesel or a sportwagen TDI and will likely do it within the next 5 years.

turbofan 11-18-2013 06:41 PM

double post fail

Midtenn 11-18-2013 06:41 PM

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Its the growth hormones in the milk...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384818109

supercooper 11-18-2013 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Midtenn (Post 1074510)
Its the growth hormones in the milk...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384818109

Pretty cool picture.. Seriously, the R56 looks so big to me in real life. I park next to them in parkinglots just to prove that my Mini is mini-er than their Mini.... And the NEW mini??? that thing is HUGE!
In comparison, they are ALL huge compared to the O.G. Mini. lmao

turbofan 11-18-2013 07:47 PM

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Wow. I actually didn't realize the sorta-new-but-not-the-newest-new-new-Mini was bigger than the first new Mini. I really like those.

I hate what they've done with the taillights on the newest ones. They make me think of this:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384822046

It looks like they did the same thing to the old mini taillights, with the same result, as what they did to that cat's eyes.

supercooper 11-18-2013 08:00 PM

I didnt even notice the taillights til you said that.... lol I was looking at the overall profile... but DAMN.... those taillights are horrible...
And The car in general is so damn big now... i bet the Toyota Yaris and Scion XA are smaller than the Mini finally, because of the new one.

turbofan 11-18-2013 08:06 PM

I read somewhere that it's still a foot-ish smaller than a Yaris. It's still a tiny car by American standards. But I do think it's awful. So awful. P.S. The xA is no longer sold in the states, replaced by the xD.

XD

supercooper 11-18-2013 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074532)
I read somewhere that it's still a foot-ish smaller than a Yaris. It's still a tiny car by American standards. But I do think it's awful. So awful. P.S. The xA is no longer sold in the states, replaced by the xD.

XD

Havent seen the yaris lately. Has it changed since its Debut??? I remember the first one wasnt too far off from the mini.... That was the little 2 door hatch that i compared my mini to side by side

y8s 11-19-2013 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1074495)
??? The CX-5 didn't come out til 2013 sir. So it has nothing to do with whatever they were selling in '09. The new CX-5 is seriously quite awesome, and it is one of the vehicles I would buy over the Countryman.

I would also go for a Forester XT over a Countryman. Also: BMW X1. Also: Jetta Sportwagen TDI (although not AWD). Also: Ford Escape SEL 2.0L EcoBoost (don't laugh... 240hp, 270tq, leather seats, awd). Also: VW Tiguan. Also: WRX. Yes I'm serious.

Forester: not enough rear seat space for rear facing infant seats (friends just sold one), also very long like a limo. MPG estimates are similar.

BMW X1 awd starts over 32k with no options. mpg comparable. oh and it didn't exist here in 2012.

Jetta SW: why is this forum in love with those things? TDI: no way. I barely pass any gas stations on my commute and most don't sell diesel. otherwise it's big and ugly.

Ford Escape titanium 1.6 4wd: similar price, similar specs, probably not as fun to drive. also much bigger.

tiguan: much bigger, at least as much money, worse mp geez.

WRX: see forester and subtract interior room.



I don't think you understand why I bought the car I did. I found the closest thing to a miata with rear doors and room for a huge rear-facing child seat. The only reason it costs as much as it did is because I got all sorts of crazy options. yes, all those other cars you list are very large and in charge and that's why I didn't want them. I can parallel park this in tight spots on the street in the city that everyone else has to pass up. If I need cargo space, I can toss a roof pod on it.

I could have picked up a base model with nothing on it and compared it to your oranges and apples and probably been out the door at 20k even.

You should really go drive an S All4 with the sport suspension. You'd be shocked. Even if you hate the car because of some personal childhood trauma, it drives REALLY well.

supercooper 11-19-2013 11:14 AM

Yes... It IS quite impressive... And that's saying a lot being a regular Cooper s owner. Lol

Oscar 11-19-2013 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1074728)
Forester: not enough rear seat space for rear facing infant seats (friends just sold one), also very long like a limo. MPG estimates are similar.

BMW X1 awd starts over 32k with no options. mpg comparable. oh and it didn't exist here in 2012.

Jetta SW: why is this forum in love with those things? TDI: no way. I barely pass any gas stations on my commute and most don't sell diesel. otherwise it's big and ugly.

Ford Escape titanium 1.6 4wd: similar price, similar specs, probably not as fun to drive. also much bigger.

tiguan: much bigger, at least as much money, worse mp geez.

WRX: see forester and subtract interior room.



I don't think you understand why I bought the car I did. I found the closest thing to a miata with rear doors and room for a huge rear-facing child seat. The only reason it costs as much as it did is because I got all sorts of crazy options. yes, all those other cars you list are very large and in charge and that's why I didn't want them. I can parallel park this in tight spots on the street in the city that everyone else has to pass up. If I need cargo space, I can toss a roof pod on it.

I could have picked up a base model with nothing on it and compared it to your oranges and apples and probably been out the door at 20k even.

You should really go drive an S All4 with the sport suspension. You'd be shocked. Even if you hate the car because of some personal childhood trauma, it drives REALLY well.

All valid points, but goddamn it got smashed into a coma with the ugly stick. Twice.

:dealwithit:

y8s 11-19-2013 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 1074734)
All valid points, but goddamn it got smashed into a coma with the ugly stick. Twice.

:dealwithit:

ah yes, "it's ugly"

as is your mama.

Oscar 11-19-2013 12:24 PM

Maybe, but she doesn't have a 25k? pricetag ;)

turbofan 11-19-2013 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1074728)
Forester: not enough rear seat space for rear facing infant seats (friends just sold one), also very long like a limo. MPG estimates are similar. Not enough rear seat space?? Have you SEEN the new Forester? It's cavernous back there. I get that it's bigger, but that's kinda my point. It's a bigger, more spacious car with more power that gets comparable MPG and costs a comparable amount. I think it all boils down to your last point...

BMW X1 awd starts over 32k with no options. mpg comparable. oh and it didn't exist here in 2012. This is a good point... that it didn't exist there then. I would go with the RWD X1 which starts at 30k but the fact that it didn't exist when you bought yours makes it a totally moot point.

Jetta SW: why is this forum in love with those things? TDI: no way. I barely pass any gas stations on my commute and most don't sell diesel. otherwise it's big and ugly. haha they're awesome vehicles! Good handling, excellent ride, super high quality interior with high-end-looking stuff, incredible MPG, TORQUE, and tons of space. I'm sure it's not as fun as the Mini and diesel can be a nuisance but when you're going 500+ miles (600-700 on highway) on a tank, that's pretty awesome.

Ford Escape titanium 1.6 4wd: similar price, similar specs, probably not as fun to drive. also much bigger. Well, for one, you can't get a titanium with the 1.6, it's 2.0 only. The 1.6 in the Escape is stupid IMO because it's only a little more for the 2.0 in the lower trim level (SEL) and the real world fuel economy is not much different. That's why I mentioned the SEL with the 2.0. You're looking at around 31k very well equipped, tons of power, and a really nice car.

tiguan: much bigger, at least as much money, worse mp geez. Yeah, here's where your last point comes into play again. I see the 'bigger for same money' as a positive, not a negative. That VW TSI motor is soooooo sweet...

WRX: see forester and subtract interior room. I still think this is probably the best alternative option, but the MPGs aren't as good at all... but it has like 80 more HP and I believe it weighs less!



I don't think you understand why I bought the car I did. I found the closest thing to a miata with rear doors and room for a huge rear-facing child seat. The only reason it costs as much as it did is because I got all sorts of crazy options. yes, all those other cars you list are very large and in charge and that's why I didn't want them. I can parallel park this in tight spots on the street in the city that everyone else has to pass up. If I need cargo space, I can toss a roof pod on it. That's really the kicker here IMO. If you needed something small, 4-door, AWD, turbo, and have the money to spend, and you don't think it's fugly, then the Mini fits the bill and not much else really does (except as I mentioned above, the WRX)

I could have picked up a base model with nothing on it and compared it to your oranges and apples and probably been out the door at 20k even.

You should really go drive an S All4 with the sport suspension. You'd be shocked. Even if you hate the car because of some personal childhood trauma, it drives REALLY well.

Haha I do need to drive one. I need to get out and do some test drives. Need to drive the Fiesta ST and the Countryman. I certainly don't dislike it for any sort of biased reason -- I'm all for the development of a brand. But I just see it as a very overpriced little car. The price is comparable to bigger cars that offer similar MPG and performance and features, but have much more space and practicality. I don't have to regularly park in an urban environment, however, so the small size I see as a drawback instead of a perk. If it works for you, rock it.

supercooper 11-19-2013 01:17 PM

Great snowboarding trip vehicle...

y8s 11-19-2013 02:12 PM

True, the AWD is great. It starts out driving all four wheels and as you increase road speed, uses only the fronts.

Ultimately I'm not a big car kind of guy for a daily driver. Sure there are tons of other cars I could have loved and bough and spent more or less on, but this is where we ended up. Remember I also have a wife who gets her say and could have easily ended up with a Prius V. That unchecks pretty much all the boxes execpt MPG and I was not going to be happy.

I wonder if I could convince her that we need a Tesla S when we sell her 15 year old civic.

turbofan 11-19-2013 02:19 PM

In that case, nice save. lol

Scrappy Jack 11-19-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1074728)
I don't think you understand why I bought the car I did.

Oh snap. Turbofan:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384900425


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 1074764)
Maybe, but she doesn't have a 25k? pricetag ;)

Did you just say your mom is a much cheaper ride?

Oscar 11-19-2013 05:43 PM

$25 OBO


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