21 Foot Rule lulul
 

First you must watch the real one...



Second you must watch...





.... Then you must watch....





There is another video about him talking after the injury... where he mentions he lives with his mom. I feel like this is hyper if he got a hold of knives.

Lol. I'm concern. I saw a little playground, dont tell me this fuck reproduced.

I think two rounds from a .45, center mass, would win no matter how much dancing he does.

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needs a re-route:giggle:

friend of mine knife fights, he's fast and does the 21 foot bs at gun shows and wins every time. pissed off a local cop that thought he was cool shit.

o ya, and he's a hair stylest :laugh:

Whether or not the 21 foot rule is valid (it's probably going to vary a lot person to person) the dude making the videos clearly has no idea wtf he is doing, which makes it hilarious but dangerous.. luckily Darwinism seems to be working out just fine for him.

Is this motherfucker serious? Holy shit. :bowrofl: He runs like a girl and swings the blade like he is swinging a stick at a bug that he is afraid of.

... I'm just hanging out over here... then.. ahhhhhrarahhg

Well actually the rule is pretty much true. I've trained in stuff like this and you can too- it's not that hard. Just see how well you can aim when someone is running at you from 20 feet away. My marine buddy talks about layered defenses and a gun should not be your last resort. blha blah

Seriously? its hard to shoot someone point blank running directly at you?
I'm no pro with guns but that sounds extremely easy. Especially if the person running at you is as slow and retarded as the guy in the vids:giggle:

This is why I strap tons of explosives to myself when protecting against knife attack. Charge me and boom!!!

Win win.

It's what is termed "shooting under stress". The point is that unless you fucking explode their brain, the attacker can still reach you and potentially stab you. Lots. If you shoot them in the chest and it takes a minute for them to bleed out and they are on top of you, stabbing you, how many stabs do you think they can get in before they die? In a lot of stab wound murders, you will see extremely high stab counts- 30+. Try punching your couch or something repeatedly really quickly and you will get it.

I get that part. But if I have a fully loaded gun and the guy isn't stopping I won't be shooting just the one time. I'll be emptying the clip at the mofo;) Or if I have an automatic or semi auto weapon he'll basically be cut in half by the time he reaches me.
I get what you mean though.

You're talking about being ready with an automatic weapon in your hands.

The rule is talking about drawing from some sort of concealed or at least holstered position (while clearing any clothing), obtaining a shooting grip, aiming, and firing. The guy in the video is a goober, but still, watch him "run" and think in your head about going through those steps. Doesn't leave you much time.

I'm reluctant to believe this guy is for real after those neighbor videos.

It takes the average human something like 1.5 seconds to cover 21'.

How many shots do you think you can get off in that time (keeping in mind that you will most likely have to draw your weapon).

Standing your ground is only going to end up with you being cut. Move dynamically off the line of attack while engaging.

I don't think anyone would need much time when the wound channel created from the hydraulic shock is big enough to stick your arm through.

Hollowpoints FTW!

I fail at youtube embed, but here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR7sU...eature=related

Perhaps I exaggerated slightly but imagine this in a human torso. :



I think the trauma would slow down an attacker if not stop them. At least change their mind about the current course of action.

Sure they would. Enough time to stab you. :drool:

Don't mistake me here though, I do have a .40 loaded with hollow point and a shotgun loaded with double aught buck.

The point is just that guns are not all powerful. Kinda like these stupid "secessionist" militias that just have guns. US military has cluster bombs..

Oooh "moving off the line". Someone here has gotten training! Or read up on it.

Shooting multiple shots in a row accurately is pretty darn hard. If I shot 3 shots in 1.5 seconds, I'd be happy if one hit the target. I'm not a pro though- I have probably only fired a couple thousand rounds.

Shotgun = no contest.

At that range, you are going to have to aim a shotgun as if it were a rifle. At that range the shot is still in a ball and is being followed closely by the decelerating shot cup or wad, if not still partially inside the cup (although this depends on the cup design).

As for the 21 foot rule, it's true, and nothing new (multiple studies and tests have been done by police agencies, .gov departments, etc.) The average CCW'er would be lucky to at least clear leather (or Kydex) before the guy got there. The smart CCW'er will either be running, or drawing while running away (if their piece is in a position to allow it).

As for "shockwaves", "knockdown power", and the like - oh please. Disregarding range for a moment, only a CNS hit is going to stop someone that quickly, unless the attacker was total psychological pussy and dropped like a box of rocks when the bullet that was prematurely fired while drawing approximately 4.7x faster than ever was done in practice grazes their Skechers.

I have either Rangers, Hydrashoks, Gold Dots, or Starfires in mine. :)

That's why I carry a semi-auto .45 that was originally designed for officers to stopped drugged up soldiers who would not go down when shot once as my CC... With hollow-points might I add. If I shoot you in the head I wish them luck identifying your body.

I fail to believe that even one or two shots to the attackers center of mass with PDX1 in my mag wouldn't stop them short. Momentum might carry their corpse closer, but while I'm back stepping, It's going to gain me a few extra seconds. Of course this is all in theory, in practice is another thing. Make it 22' and they are fucked! :giggle:

Honestly though, worst case scenario, some big scary dude is charging me like a bull with a knife in his hand swinging like a mad man, I'm probably going to just turn and run. I'm a pretty quick dude and doubt he could even catch me, but while I run I could have enough time to draw and prepare to turn and empty my mag into his ass.

Who waits for a man armed with a knife to run at you before you draw your weapon? I don't know about you but if I had a gun, and some man with a knife was threatening me I would already have my gun out and aimed at him.

What would you rather have 21 feet out from a guy with a knife? A knife or a gun... I think we would all chose gun.

The key is simple, move off line, and do everything you can to stop the attacker, that includes shooting and grappling with them to prevent them from continually stabbing you if possible

The issue with everyone saying that they're going to keep stabbing you is that not many people are going to stay in an weaver stance and keep trying to shoot while being stabbed. Once you're that close and its clear the attacker is not stopping, perhaps its time for other means. Either try to get a point blank shot in the face/head to destroy the brain, or subdue them by other means (break their arm, hold their arm so they can no longer stab you, grapple them to the ground, throw them off balance away from you so you can get distance, run away, etc.)

Basic human nature is fight or flight. If you're going to fight, dont rely on just a gun.

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STANDING STILL AND GETTING OUT A GUN. RUN THE FUCK AWAY.

I mean seriously, is it that complicated? You're not a fucking cardboard cutout for christ's sake. I may not be able to draw and take down that gobber with his sword, but I sure as hell can out run the chubby fuck. I'm never opposed to running the fuck away.

Fuck shooting, just whip that gun out and hit him in the face with it. Much better.

Gun or sausage.

Just hangin' out... Ahhhhh I kill you!

lol @ internet-tough-guys in both this thread and the YT vids.

+1 on GTFO of there. Still chasing you, THAT'S when you pull your defenses.

This is definitely an option. Shoot him, hit him in the head and while he's disoriented, shoot him again.

This may also work:

Taurus Judge with .410 shot shell. He can't slice you if he can't see you and he wont with a face full of bird shot. Plus, you wont miss with a handheld shotgun.

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The whole idea of self defense ( I took this form a Tactical Medic Class) it to assess the threat and defuse the situation. If it is beyond defusing retreat, and while retreating reassess the situation and act accordingly with lethal force or less than lethal force. The key is to remove yourself from the environment or remove the threat from the environment by any means you can, in short RUN THE FAWK AWAY!!!

Get off the X as fast as you can, never stay stagnant.

That's what a smart person would do. Why am I going to stand up to a guy with a knife. I'll run, and if he is somehow track team fast, I then draw and pop his ass.

I crack a smile every time I see that gun firing. Madness, a 410 shell in a pistol. That would do the trick I'm quite sure of it. If not the first, then one of the following shots.

Sorry fellas, but running is a bad idea. You're placing your bets on a guess that you're faster than they are. Personally, I'd rather be stabbed in the front than the back, and be stabbed while fighting the fucker than fleeing in terror.

Or just take a shit, and throw at him while he runs towards you.

+1

I mean, I'm not above retreating, but I'm slow, so I know that I'd get caught if the dude was even close to being in shape.

Shoot until shooting no longer is useful in eliminating the threat, and then reassess and go from there.

I find it highly unlikely that I will be attacked by a knife-wielding nut from 1, 21 or 121 feet away so I probably won't lose any sleep over it.

I'm with Stein on this one... Everyone around my neck of the woods is a pansy. If you just showed them that you had a gun they would turn and run the other way.

Depends on the attacker, and the person being attacked. I know I would be faster than 95% of attackers, even in my boots I could still outrun most people. I would only use running as a means to buy time to prepare my counter attack.

I also don't fear for my life from being attacked with a knife. I work in one of the worst parts of downtown Birmingham, which has one of the highest violent crime rates/ homicide rate per capita in the US, and even then, I've never felt threatened in the several years I have worked there.