The 911 challenge thread
#101
Now my question, if they have the ability to plan this all, the plans the explosions (and they get away with it) why not just use a 3rd a 4th a 5th airplane to guarantee there wouldn't be such scrutiny from such brilliant citizens.
Please not that this is only the case for WTC7, if anyone pulls this **** on WTC1 and 2 its even more obvious because of the debris field.
So lets back up. You have two building damaged at high floors. They fail at those floors. Pretty clearcut.
But now you have a building that has a rather unusual load distribution that experiences fire and damage from falling debris. Why destroy the footings of the building (it is so obviously a demolition job) why not just start a fire on the 35th floor and blow that floor. The structure was definitely not designed to take the impact load from the falling floors.
Please not that this is only the case for WTC7, if anyone pulls this **** on WTC1 and 2 its even more obvious because of the debris field.
So lets back up. You have two building damaged at high floors. They fail at those floors. Pretty clearcut.
But now you have a building that has a rather unusual load distribution that experiences fire and damage from falling debris. Why destroy the footings of the building (it is so obviously a demolition job) why not just start a fire on the 35th floor and blow that floor. The structure was definitely not designed to take the impact load from the falling floors.
#102
1) Does the proposed law increase or decrease individual liberty? (for example, the Patriot Act tramples on the Bill of Rights)
2) Does the proposed law increase the size, scope, and power of government, and increase the centralization of power? (e.g. anything that increases gov't spending or taxes, and anything that concentrates power, such as Homeland Security)
3) Is the proposed law pro free market? (e.g. Sarbanes Oxley is is a piece of **** legislation simply to create more demand for accountants and auditors; almost all gov't regulation is written BY and FOR the big corporations to the detriment of small business, such as again, Sarbanes Oxley)
4) Does the proposed law increase or decrease national sovereignty? (e.g. NAFTA, WTO and other fake free trade agreements that require law changes in member nations ... the UN bombing of Iraq in the 90s - we should have told the UN to go **** off and bomb Iraq themselves, after all, we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait (after baiting him, but that's another story))
5) Foreign policy - does it promote non-interventionism and increase friendship and trade (for example, the embargo on Cuba is illogical)
If laws are passed in accordance with these principles, the CFR/TC/BB groups will be stopped in their tracks and will be powerless. One doesn't even have to believe in any conspiracies - one only needs to believe that the above 5 principles are what made this nation great.
Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were NOT needed to prevent 911. For ****'s sake, box cutters weren't allowed on planes before 911, the airport screeners were just doing a terrible job!!! And, there were many, many warnings from foreign intelligence agencies, and the FBI, before 911!
It's like this ******* who says "Illegal racing at "ridiculous" levels in U.S., one law enforcement official says":
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/22/str...ing/index.html
The bastard cries wolf and plays up the problem so that his department can get more budget money.
#103
Jason your math doesn't include two important aspects. The total kinetic energy of falling building and the deceleration rate when one floor collapses into another
And then i was thinking, man i could have sworn ive seen debris falling from the buidling (which would'nt happened if it fell at "free fall rate" cause it would all be the same)
Ooooh yeah thats right.
That would be debris from higher floors (at true free fall speed) falling faster than the pancaking building .
No offense jason. Your probably awesome at electronics, but your structural knowledge (or lack of), your simplistic mathcad code, and lack of statics (most freshman to sophomore Civil Engineers can debunk this with a truss diagram) is really unconvincing.
And then i was thinking, man i could have sworn ive seen debris falling from the buidling (which would'nt happened if it fell at "free fall rate" cause it would all be the same)
Ooooh yeah thats right.
That would be debris from higher floors (at true free fall speed) falling faster than the pancaking building .
No offense jason. Your probably awesome at electronics, but your structural knowledge (or lack of), your simplistic mathcad code, and lack of statics (most freshman to sophomore Civil Engineers can debunk this with a truss diagram) is really unconvincing.
#104
But now you have a building that has a rather unusual load distribution that experiences fire and damage from falling debris. Why destroy the footings of the building (it is so obviously a demolition job) why not just start a fire on the 35th floor and blow that floor. The structure was definitely not designed to take the impact load from the falling floors.
#105
There is a video on slide 22 showing a demolition gone wrong. The 1st floor blew out, and the 2nd floor on up, dropped down, and the building swayed... and stopped. It didn't collapse. Maybe most buildings can take the impact load of dropping one floor, even with the entire building's weight.
See thats a major fallacy. Without looking at the building plans for every building along with that city/state building codes you can't make that assumption. Anyone who does is naive to building construction and how cities work. To build a building to survive the entire building dropping a floor would be a bad engineering design. Not to mention no investor would pay for it, knowing thats how it was designed. Smaller buildings yes (most because of the yielding point of the metal, still in placisity) when the impact load gets larger (from larger buildings) the material yields and fails almost instantly.
The reason is that for surface area to double (ie 5x5x5 to 10x10x10) the volume (and inherit structural mass) increases 4x
#107
And then i was thinking, man i could have sworn ive seen debris falling from the buidling (which would'nt happened if it fell at "free fall rate" cause it would all be the same)
...Your probably awesome at electronics, but your structural knowledge (or lack of),
Even that animation modelling done by Purdue has me wondering if it's really possible for the core members to be severed by plane bits. Those core members are thick! The single biggest piece of metal is probably the engines - I can't imagine a flying chair or bulkhead severing one of those members. It's like Mythbusters flying playing cards that can't penetrate skin - no matter how fast they could make them fly.
#108
Even that animation modelling done by Purdue has me wondering if it's really possible for the core members to be severed by plane bits. Those core members are thick! The single biggest piece of metal is probably the engines - I can't imagine a flying chair or bulkhead severing one of those members. It's like Mythbusters flying playing cards that can't penetrate skin - no matter how fast they could make them fly.
#109
OK - but someone needs to model the "global collapse" pancaking.
There are several more observations that would be explained by explosives:
- pulverization of concrete
- molten metal in the rubble
- horizontal ejection of portions of steel beams at 55 mph
- FEMA's findings of thermate spectrographic signatures, ditto EPA investigating health complaints about the dust
- beams' broken ends not sheared but appearing cut by thermate
- "squibs" visible in the videos of all 3 buildings' collapsing
- "meteorites" of iron (cooled down blobs of molten metal)
It's very strange that the mess was cleaned up and shipped out quickly for "recycling" and not preserved for later investigation.
There are several more observations that would be explained by explosives:
- pulverization of concrete
- molten metal in the rubble
- horizontal ejection of portions of steel beams at 55 mph
- FEMA's findings of thermate spectrographic signatures, ditto EPA investigating health complaints about the dust
- beams' broken ends not sheared but appearing cut by thermate
- "squibs" visible in the videos of all 3 buildings' collapsing
- "meteorites" of iron (cooled down blobs of molten metal)
It's very strange that the mess was cleaned up and shipped out quickly for "recycling" and not preserved for later investigation.
#110
- pulverization of concrete
Irrelvant, any building collapse is going to have pulverized concrete (especially of that size)
- molten metal in the rubble
THats from explosives? They use explosives that create molten steel? (yes ive never heard or seen that before on other demos, in fact they usually wet it down to contain the dust and start cleaning up the same day)
- horizontal ejection of portions of steel beams at 55 mph
- FEMA's findings of thermate spectrographic signatures, ditto EPA investigating health complaints about the dust
I need to see the report. I know they found sulfur the same **** thats in drywall, i haven't seend evidence they found thermate. If they havent found it and only found its signatures, all i have to say is duhhh thats rust
- beams' broken ends not sheared but appearing cut by thermate
If they were cut with thermate, there would have had to be someone there, and since it apepars that way tell me how much thermate would be needed to cut through those beams (ya know the ones that a airplane traveling hudreds of miles per hour coundlt cut through)
- "squibs" visible in the videos of all 3 buildings' collapsing
I must have missed that class, I dont know what squibs are or where they were seen. Elaborate
- "meteorites" of iron (cooled down blobs of molten metal)
Take a peice of metal and bend it back and forth alot. I mean lot. Till it fails. Now feel it. Its hot. Do this a million ******* times with steel thats already on fire.
It's very strange that the mess was cleaned up and shipped out quickly for "recycling" and not preserved for later investigation.
It was shipped offsite and investigates. Cause they were doing dna testing on any remains they had.
Irrelvant, any building collapse is going to have pulverized concrete (especially of that size)
- molten metal in the rubble
THats from explosives? They use explosives that create molten steel? (yes ive never heard or seen that before on other demos, in fact they usually wet it down to contain the dust and start cleaning up the same day)
- horizontal ejection of portions of steel beams at 55 mph
- FEMA's findings of thermate spectrographic signatures, ditto EPA investigating health complaints about the dust
I need to see the report. I know they found sulfur the same **** thats in drywall, i haven't seend evidence they found thermate. If they havent found it and only found its signatures, all i have to say is duhhh thats rust
- beams' broken ends not sheared but appearing cut by thermate
If they were cut with thermate, there would have had to be someone there, and since it apepars that way tell me how much thermate would be needed to cut through those beams (ya know the ones that a airplane traveling hudreds of miles per hour coundlt cut through)
- "squibs" visible in the videos of all 3 buildings' collapsing
I must have missed that class, I dont know what squibs are or where they were seen. Elaborate
- "meteorites" of iron (cooled down blobs of molten metal)
Take a peice of metal and bend it back and forth alot. I mean lot. Till it fails. Now feel it. Its hot. Do this a million ******* times with steel thats already on fire.
It's very strange that the mess was cleaned up and shipped out quickly for "recycling" and not preserved for later investigation.
It was shipped offsite and investigates. Cause they were doing dna testing on any remains they had.
#111
Its called cleanup for search and rescue too. They had many bodies they had to recover from the rubble. Its all VERY VERY simple. most of us witnessed it happen on NATIONAL ******* TELEVISION. As crazy as the media is, you should know they would have been reporting explosions happening, and missiles hitting the pentagon. Because that would have made ratings.
Its a waste of time for anyone to look into it. It was a disaster, a terrorist caused disaster. Just accept it. Its as easy to prove as the moon landing. (The landing site is still there. and has been photographed many times since by various high res telescopes and satellites.)
Just save yourself some time, go read some books on something that may help progress humanity in some way for the better.
#112
Squibs are the industry term for mistimed explosions, evident as puffs from windows below the demolition "wave". In the presentation, there was a side by side video of the tower collapse and a known demolition.
It looks nothing like that. It looks like a... blob.
drewbroo, re: the media:I have very, very little faith in the corporate media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Take a peice of metal and bend it back and forth alot. I mean lot. Till it fails. Now feel it. Its hot. Do this a million ******* times with steel thats already on fire.
drewbroo, re: the media:I have very, very little faith in the corporate media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
#113
No offence... but Wiki links are hardly acceptable convincing means for me. I have seen the media report many national security compromising things. They also put soldiers lives at risk on a regular basis. I was in Afghanistan after they said some Korans were flushed down a toilet. (Never happened, and was proved that it was false.) And the locals retaliated and rioted, I almost got hit by a 107 that night while I was on patrol. The media is cutthroat and greedy, all they care about is stories now. All the "mocking bird" crap went out the window after the cold war was over.
#114
Here's a tech article about the conservation of momentum:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...ansferRoss.pdf
and about projectiles:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...nsEvidence.pdf
And you can peruse a bunch of tech articles in the blue column on the left:
http://www.ae911truth.org/#techarts
http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...ansferRoss.pdf
and about projectiles:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...nsEvidence.pdf
And you can peruse a bunch of tech articles in the blue column on the left:
http://www.ae911truth.org/#techarts
#115
More on the mass media and the corporate interests that control them:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...55652046262625
(FIVE corporations own the mass media now)
#117
On the Purdue animation:
http://visibility911.com/blog/?p=71#more-71
On building 7:
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html
http://visibility911.com/blog/?p=71#more-71
On building 7:
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html