Anyone here tow their car a lot?
 

My Miata is becoming a bitch and her screaming infant child to drive around every day and I am looking at a double-duty truck to replace it. Something that I can park at school every day with relative ease, but still tow the Miata 500+ miles every month without getting sucked off the road by semi rigs.

I can't decide whether I want something that will primarily be good to tow, or primarily be good to drive. Most of my mileage will be towing mileage, maybe 600 miles a month or so just driving around, but at the same time most of my trips are without a trailer on. Another big factor for me is MPG; I can get 24-25mpg pretty easily in the Miata on the highway, but only like 15-16 around town, so my benchmark is the town mileage. If I can see 14 towing and 18+ around town, that works for me, but the higher that is the better.

Budget is 8k, but the less the better. The way I see it, there are 3 options:

-V6, like a Tacoma or a 4-runner. Price range puts me at a 96-00 truck with around 100k miles on it. 5-speed, 4x4, extended cab, long bed. Truck is long-ish, but narrow so it might still be halfway easy to park it. Lightest truck by far, these are only 3300-3400lbs apparently. Rated to tow 5000lbs, which is perfect for the car and an open trailer. I think this will hit 13-14mpg towing, and it should do 18 around town, I think, but the Toyota forums are a bunch of imbeciles who either tow 7000lb loads with a 22R and wonder why they get 6mpg, or tow at 75mph with a car on the back and then complain about the mileage. :vash:

-V8, like a Tahoe or something similar. Price range puts me into a 96-00 truck with 70-100k miles. A little shorter than a Tacoma but wider by nearly a foot. Heavy. Not going to match the Tacoma for around-town mileage, but I don't know how much worse it will be towing on the highway. I doubt this will match V6 mileage around town, but it might on the highway? We have an 00 Suburban right now and it gets like 13-14 towing. The older trucks are smaller but a bit worse on gas as well.

-Diesel, 95-96 Dodge 12v. Price range puts me into a pretty nice one, but finding what I want (must be a 5-speed with 2wd, extended cab, short bed) might be tough. Biggest of them all, hardest to park. Phenomenal mileage, my roommate gets 18 towing and 20+ without a trailer.

Basically goes in order from best/worst to drive and worst/best to tow with. I don't think I want a Tahoe, even though my roommate thinks it would be a good idea, because it's the worst of both worlds - shitty tow mileage and difficult to park. I was set on a Tacoma but I don't know whether it'll tow the Miata like I want it to. A Diesel has always been an option, but I don't know whether I could deal with driving a larger truck around every day.

help me :hustler:

I drive between 40 and 50k miles a year in a '96 Toyota T100 extended cab 2wd SR5 (3.4L V6). I'm in sales so I drive quite a bit. It gets ~17 around town. I do all of my own maintenance. I bought it four or so years ago with 50k miles and it now has 252k. I changed the starter at 217k. That's it. I almost wrote a dirty letter to Toyota about the starter not going 300k.:)

I've pulled boats and cars of various sizes for hundreds of miles at a time. The worst I saw for mileage was 12 with the '68 GTO on a tow dolly behind it trying to hold 75 mph on hilly sections of I-75 in Georgia. You really aren't supposed to tow that much weight in overdrive, so it hurts the mileage quite a bit. It isn't uncommon to get 14 mpg pulling a decent sized boat with some serious wind resistance at interstate speeds.

That is the same 3.4L engine that is in the 4Runner. That is also the same base engine that is in the early Tundras. BTW my truck weighs 3700lbs and tows steady.

Good luck.

If you're lucky, you can find something that's great and not on your list. (cheaper, newer, good deal)

I had an '02 Dodge Ram 4.7L Auto, 2wd, 8ft bed w/ a lot of options (infinity, pw, pl, cruise, a/c, towing pkg) that I paid $6,700 for w/ 80k mi.

Towed a boat w/ it ALL THE TIME, got 17-20mpg whether towing or not. Granted, boat and trailer weigh less than your Miata, but, never the less.

Not to mention the '02+ Ram's are sexy.

If you can't find that, I'd opt for your 3rd choice up top. Diesel power, capable of 400k miles or more before major problem, all that torque will make towing super easy.

Love my Dodge, but it is truly gigantic. It's a 4 dr 4x4 and gets 15. That is 15 in town, 15 on the highway, 15 pulling my boat, 15 falling off a cliff. Towing is a non issue, as the truck is 6,000 lbs. What's another 3,000?

Mileage would be better if it was a 2WD and if it didn't have the hemi but who really cares in the grand scheme of things. Look at it this way - you are talking 600 miles a month. That's 7200 miles a year. If a truck gets 15 that's 480 gallons whereas some pissy little thing that gets 20 will be 360 gallons. Both will get similar mileage while towing so that makes the difference even less. If you are making a decision on a tow vehicle and the extra 120 gallons or $250 a year makes that much difference, you should rethink whether you really should be buying it.

Dodges are good trucks, but they don't hold the resale of a Ford or Chevy, which makes them an excellent candidate for a used tow vehicle. Just buy what you want and don't sweat the mileage. It's not enough to really matter in the total bill.

I'm holding out for the right taco too. People will bitch and moan about pulling a jet-ski without a Peterbuilt, but I've towed thousands 8000lb+ thousands of miles with a nissan frontier or taco and they pull fine.

Whack your roommate over the head, then get hustler to dump him in the desert. Use his K5. Problem solved, well under budget.


Edit- In all seriousness, a Miata isn't exactly heavy towing duty. I wouldn't really sweat it one way or the other. That being said, I'd still go for bigger rather than smaller, but my opinions are colored by other (bigger, heavier) towing/hauling needs. You should also have more confidence in your driving skillz. Yes, a smaller vehicle is easier to park, and there's a hell of a difference between a fullsize truck and a Miata, but hell, if *I* can manage, you can.

But this thug is going to have a hard time valet parking an old dodge to holla at a shawty in tha club.

I tow my car 5-6K miles a year. I towed twice with a '99 4Runner and decided it was not enough truck (inadequate brakes, too short wheelbase, 2nd gear WOT up steep hills, etc...). It got 20 mpg around town and 13-14 towing. I now tow with a '04 2500HD entended cab long bed 4x4. I get the same towing mileage, have no worries while towing and get 16 mpg not towing although that never happens because that is the only reason I have this truck. Buy a big truck for towing and a beater honda for around town. You'll never hear anyone complain that they have too much truck for towing but a lot of people will complain that they have too little.

Taco. Easy to park, good to drive, can still tow, easy to work on, etc. Probably cheapest on insurance too.

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I can highly reccomend the Dodge 1500 with the hemi, doesn't matter stick or auto. It's easy to drive around town, and can easily tow your miata on a trailer up the worst mountians you'll see without dropping speed. They should be dirt cheap now.

this just in...I may buy a Yukon Denali, lol.

Another vote for a Tacoma or 4Runner. I would definately find one in a 5 speed as the automatics have a history of getting hot during long stints of towing even medium sized things. Other than that, great trucks.

A teacher at our school had an original 4 runner (you know the one with the removable top) that had over 300,000 miles on it and the only things that went wrong on it was that the alternator and the starter went out on him at around 250,000.

me thinks you guys are nuts towing with baby trucks.

though i'm sort of in a similar situation where i'd be looking to get something more everyday/family friendly as my regular cab truck with 35" tires isn't good for any more than 1 other person and only gets 10-12mpg. only thing is i need a truck like every week now. I was actually thinking about getting an escalade ext and a trailer i could leave at home when i need to haul a bunch of shit

As an aside to Sav, you may want to see if you can hold out until summer. I'd bet that the traditional summer runup in demand will push up gas prices again, and that will in turn push down truck prices. High gas prices are what allowed me to get a good deal on a truck that would have otherwise commanded a higher sum. I'm seriously considering picking up another, more practical truck this summer (in addition to present truck) if I can get one cheap enough- a half ton Chevy with a SBC, short bed, extended cab.

For me at least, parts cost was/is a major factor when buying a beater/tow rig/whatever, which is why I'm looking at GM stuff, the SBC parts are ridiculously cheap, as are the other components, since the parts bin hasn't changed much in the last several decades. Since they're really, really common, even the normal "big ticket" items like axles, transmissions and motors are dirt cheap, and junkyards are loaded with them. I say "parts cost" rather than "reliability" because realistically, everything made since about 1985 is good for 200,000 miles with decent maintenance, but things WILL go wrong along the way. Anybody with half a brain mechanically can make sure the things are ready to go, but things like water pumps, wheel bearings, seals, radiators, clutches, whatever- it's going to go*, and when I'm looking at an older, more "well used" vehicle, it pays to make sure that it's cheap to fix those things when they do go bad.

*This is where a bunch of people chime in and say "I drove my Frontier, Ram, Silverado, Tacoma or whatever for one million miles and all I ever did was change the oil, so you should buy that." Right. Some people get lucky. Same goes for Miatas really- some people drive them a bazillion miles, modify them, track them and everything else without any issues. Others seem to have one failure after another, with every component lasting precisely 12 seconds after it's design life is up.

Then again, I tend to be hard on equipment (what's the point of having a fast car if you don't drive it fast, an off road truck if you don't try to find it's limits off road, etc.?), and I also tend to stay on top of things. I tend to replace a part, like a wheel bearing, at the slightest hint that it's going south. I tend to replace water pumps, timing belts and the like at or before the scheduled intervals. Why? Because I have the worst luck on the face of the earth. If I don't replace these components at the first sign of failure, they WILL go bad when I am as far from home, or, for that matter, any civilization, as possible.

I recommend pulling the miata on an aluminum trailer with this:
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Compromises suck, so as tempting as the middle option may be, you may be unhappy 100% of the time instead of halfway happy all the time like you think with a Tahoe. We have one, we never use it unless we absolutely have to fit 8 people in one vehicle.


I've done the towing thing both ways, and it really depends on the kind of driving you do. If you're towing for race duty, then you're probably not in a hurry, and hopefully doing mostly highway. This is fine for a smaller truck like the 'Yotas.

Then again, if you're on roads you don't know, often behind/needing car setup time, and bound to hit high traffic areas, it's nice being in a bigger truck when towing. Hopefully since you're trailering the Miata it will already be set up. When in traffic, especially in places I'm not familiar with and that area's native horrible drivers, you can absolutely HATE towing in a smaller vehicle.

If you don't foresee this being a problem, err on the side of a more practical light duty truck. You don't need a Cummins to pull a Miata on a trailer. You don't need a V8 in a mediocre chassis despite low part costs. They all pull the same on the highway in a relaxed pace.

just get a short cab diesel truck. Or better yet, pick up a 15 passenger van on the cheap.

I've also thought of getting a rape van...but I'd probably drive the Denali more frequently.

This might be able to pull a Miata and you can even sleep in it at the track too. :D

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holy fucking shit I want that. I need a shop or something so I can expense this shit.

Gary's Tacoma tows his Miata and a fully loaded bed with stands and tires just fine at 75-80mph.
I've had one back in '98, also had two (4Wheelin') Toyotas before that. I never thought of them to be "Tow" rigs per se.
Bought an '02 Quad cab with the 3.4 sixer in it about 4 months ago. It will do just fine.
Mine is also an autotragic - but that just means power mode stays on and overdrive is off.
I opted for the TRD package because it has a locking rear diff. and plenty of clearance.
I'm just sayin....... ;)

You yanks are just mental with your huge ass trucks.

Seriously, this is my no compromises daily driver that will do 100mph loaded with trailer if it has to. This diesel is 3700lbs has 210bhp and around 300lb/ft.

I DO like that setup!!!!! ;)

^^^^that's what I'm talking about!

Machismo, you cannot tow a miata with anything less than a Peterbuilt. Its never been done before, and Gary is lying. He tried to tow a miata once with the Tacoma, and it burst into flames and he had to buy another. Obviously another link in the chain of lies.

man, everytime I see shit like that I want to put a manual trans in my subaru and pull the miata to the track.

Is that trailer Aluminium?

If I could get a 300ft.lb diesel in a Tacoma this thread and its anime-levels of ------ry wouldn't even exist. :vash:

Hustler, in the last two threads you wanted to buy or use no less than four different tow vehicles. Make up your mind, man!

An auto subby will pull just fine, now won't it?
Trailer is steel, like Real(tm) steel so it won't rip off the tow hooks. Just needs a little Hammerite every year after winter. Weighs around 1000lbs empty.

yeah, I need to just sit tight and buy nothing until my student loans are gone, but I'm not looking forward to blowing my car up at the track.

Oh, it has a 6spd auto slush box by Aisin... daily drivers with automatics FTW!

My $.02 - I was looking into a 96 - 00 4Runner about 1 1/2 years ago. They are terrific trucks, but terribly underpowered. I ended up picking up a '01 Pathfiner. They went to a VQ35DE that year that has loads more grunt than the 3.4 Toyota engine. Still not fabulous for towing, but better than others.

Interesting. Did the Frontier get the same motor at some point?

A bit suprising since it's all you ever talk about.

Get a diesel and NEVER look back.

I use to pull my bud's 7M Supra on some gigantic steel trailer completely loaded with all sorts of shit and even sometimes people, lol, with my duramax. Never even flinched. Like it wasnt even there.

Plus gettin 20+mpg and whipping on WRX's is really fun:giggle: Especially in a truck.

You should get a police package crown vic. They're rated to tow 5000lbs. Get 24ishmpg, and make people slow down around you.

I don't want to drive one every day. That is literally the only thing stopping me from buying one. If they made a Diesel Tacoma, I'd have one already.

Option 1: CAR CAMEL, as seen at Targa Newfoundland


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Option 2: E39 540i, I bought the car for this specific purpose. 4400 lb braked towing capacity FTW.

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What about one of the older Dodge Dakota R/Ts..small truck with a 5.9L V8? Easy and small to drive.. and has 345+ft lb of tq.

And Spooky..... fuck off with your fancy Alfa tow car...




(yes, i'm jealous)

There's also the CRD Liberty

there is also the Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9..... with 345ft lb of tq.....and a 2.5ton towing capacity.

dodge reliability.

There's plenty of "grunt" trucks out there....this was prior tow rig.





I'm happy with the Toyota. ;)

He He....you're Crunk! Get back to booking tickets to Le Mans. :fawk:

fixed, and IMHO that would get old quick.

Seriously though, dulley dodge ram 1500 hemi. I've towed extensively with that setup, with 2 cars in an enclosed trailer. 100K miles in a year, once had an alternator issue, and that's about it.

Which is to say? I know Jeeps aren't great, but everyone I know with a Ram loves it. The 5.9 would probably net me about 8mpg, but they did do a 4.7 v8 in the 2000-2003 Dakota that would be perfect. 230hp, 290tq. One of the Cali track guys tows with a 5.2 Ram and says he gets 14mpg towing at 55mph, and the 4.7 replaced the 5.2, so a newer motor in a smaller truck should be perfect.

I test drove two Tacomas today, a 3.4 auto and a 3.4 5speed. They rode like trucks (bad), and the power was decent, but not great. Never even considered a Dakota, though...

I bought a 94 Jeep Grand Cherokee before leaving California mainly for this purpose. Well, and to have a cheep beater vehicle for Nebraska winters. Fixed some long overdue maintenance items and haven't looked back. It wasn't happy about pulling the Miata through the CO mountains, but at 10k+ altitude, there wasn't much air for power. I have about $1600 total in the Jeep right now.

Actually, this is some of the better advise I've heard here. Anything in the Caprice / Crown Vic / Town Car / Grand Marquis would fit the bill for me.

* They're cheap to buy. Decent ones of mid-late 90s vintage sell for $2,000 - $3,000.
* They're cheap to own. Several trillion made, lots of parts available. And if you can get a Police model, you know it's been maintained.
* They all produce Torque in the mid to high 2xx range.
* They get reasonable mileage and are easy(ish) to handle around town.
* They're not trucks.

I'm completely serious. I'd buy one, spend a few hundred on tires and basic maintenance, and then take the rest of the money you saved and bring the car to Earl Schieb / Maaco and have it re-painted in a gruesomely hideous color (for a sedan) like Lotus orange or bright lime green.


There is one other possibility that Spookyfish sorta turned me onto, that's actually somewhat easy to find in the US. The early '90s Jaguar XJ series. The inline 6 version makes 278 ft/lbs, and it's available as a sedan or a ragtop.

The 5.9's aren't that bad. I have a 94 4x4 with 176K that still gets 17 on the highway. My 05 Hemi 4x4 4dr gets 15 interstate, 17 highway. I have always had Ford or Chevy, but my last two trucks have been these Dodges. They have both been trouble free. Cheap to buy as well. 05 has 74K now, the 94 I bought for a beater with 126K so I put 50K on it. The only problem with them is the EGR. The 05 has been repaired and ECU reflashed for it and the 94 gets funked up every year or so. It just won't idle well cold. As it is just a beater I quit fixing it and just deal with it. Idles fine warm.

:perez:

I use to pull my s13 with a 2001 Dodge Ram1500 5.9L 4x4. It did an alright job at around 60-65 mph, but anything over that it didn't really like. Of course being straight axle in the front it didn't ride the best, but never left me stranded. Replace tranny cooler if it hasn't.

I currently pull with a 95 f-350 duallie, I love the power and ability of a diesel and have been researching running it on veggie. Not a practical get around truck but if you got a single of just single cab 3/4 ton diesel you have the rebiability of a diesel great towing capabilities, and I have a friend that just bought an Ext Cab -2 Duramax, he gets 20+ mpg around town.

Ok, I know Alfa's weren't known for their reliability, but you cannot compare this 2007 model to a shitty early 90's Jag...

how about a sil-camino?
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^- That's hilarious, kind of reminds me of a 914. :facepalm: