Battlestar Galactica
 

Ok, I want a show of hands. Who here actually cried at the end of last night's episode?

I voted for "Battlestar Galactica? Didn't that show end in 1979?" seeing I had no idea that show was on still. Was it good Joe, did you cry? :cool:

Where is the comedy option "Joe is a ------"?

downloaded, but have not watched.

Love the show, but I'm just never watching when it's on and I'd never get around to watching it if I recorded it.

lol called that shit back in January. I have friend who's sister watches the show and we were talking about possible outcomes, that was my theory for the end.


Oh and no I did not cry, my testicles prevent that from occuring.

You do realize that they're only half way through season 4 right?

The last few episodes (and the very first one) of this season were freakin awesome. But I'm going to be pissed if StarBuck's "new" Viper is the final Cylon.

Last I heard, SciFi only had half of season 4 filmed before the various hollywood work stoppages, and they weren't sure if they were going to finish filming it when work resumed. I sure hope that they do; BSG is probably my favorite fiction show on TV. I have season 1 on HDDVD and the season 2 Emmy Set. 3 I downloaded off the 'net b/c it wasn't available on DVD until recently.

Oh, and I got teary-eyed when BS Pegasus jumped next to Galactica. "Pegasus Actual. Adama, is that you?"

I haven't watched any...I wants to see...

Nerds!!!!

Aww dammit....I knew there were reasons I liked my old room mate. He had a set up that recorded and auto cut commercials. Need to pester him about letting me come over and watch BSG.

BSG is by far the best thing to come on TV in a long time. Pretty edgy stuff for TV. The interrogation rape of Boomer was intense for a TV Show.

I'm somewhat glad they are doing a split season, draw it out so it can be savored. And I'm not totally convinced the final four are actually Cylons.

End of their journey to Earth

LOL, "NERDS!!!!"
I've had 2 people call me so far today to ask to borrow my Season 1 HDDVDs!

nerds.

Not feeling a lot of love here. :D

I don't think it can be. The skinjobs don't seem to count their centurions as members, or even the raiders, which are organic. Only the fully humanoid models seem to count. Besides, D'Anna saw five humanoid-looking forms in the Operahouse.

So, four down, and #5 isn't in the fleet (though I have to admit, D'Anna had me last week when she told the Prez she was it.) Also presumably not part of the cylon fleet, and not likely still back at the colonies either. So it's not just who, but where? Assuming of course it's still alive. Isn't it interesting that of all the planets and all the ships in the colonies, and all the hundreds of millions killed, that these four managed to survive it all- even Anders, a civilian with no military or political signifigance.

Still a lot of good topics to cover. What did the Hybrid mean when it told Kara she was the harbinger of death? If Pythia was right (and it has been so far) why is Roslin still alive? Surely we haven't seen the last of the Ones, Fours and Fives- will mortality change them? What happened to Boomer that made her vote against the Eights? Why is Hara so important? Does the same apply to Tyrol's son- after all, Tory airlocked Callie (putting herself at risk of discovery) to save him. What the hell IS Baltar's virtual Six, and for that matter, Caprica Six's virtual Baltar?

But I didn't expect they'd get there so soon. It's going to be a tough act to follow, and I have absolutely no idea how they're going to close this one out.

Last I heard was that Ron Moore has stated that they will indeed be finishing the series. And in a way, this is a good point to break the season much like what they did with S2 right after Pegasus. Thus far, the cliffhanger episodes have always been followed by much awesomeoness, so I can wait.


Ok, at the risk of gayness, my "Yeah, I'm a manly man, wassit to you?" list of misty moments:

1- "33": Ros is at the Whiteboard of Destiny, on the verge of emotional collapse. Billy walks in with an update. Barely able to muster the effort, Ros asks "Subtract how many?" to which Billy replies "Actually, you can add one.A baby was born this morning on the Rising Star. A boy.

2- "Fragged": Sellix, Tyrol, Cally and Baltar are pinned down, losing ground. The heavy weaponry is exhausted. Wounded, and thinking "Well, this is the end", the Chief stands up and, in an act of utter futility borne of desperation, starts firing at the advancing cylons with his pistol. As he empties his clip, they explode. He turns around, to see the Raptor that finally came to their rescue

3- "Exodus (II)": The ground battle is turning against the humans. A group (including Tigh) is pinned down and taking casualties, unable to move or communicate, when right above their heads Galactica jumps in and starts falling like a whale, exhaling vipers out of every orifice. There's a brief moment back on the ground where everyone's eyes say "Hey, we're not going to die here after all."

4- "Revelations": Everything has been going too well, we're all expecting the shit to hit the fan, and then Felix: "The visible constellations are a match." They're done. The beauty shot of the whole fleet against a pretty blue planet. The look in everyone's face (been a while since we saw the interior of the refinery ship), Starbuck visiting Kat's photo on the wall... We're just awestruck- "I can't believe they made it!"

And then, to quote Charlton Heston, "You Maniacs! You blew it up!"


Do not jump into the series mid-stream. You must start at the very beginning- the two part miniseries, and go in order. I blew off the show for a year and a half. Happened to pick up disc 1 just because my NetFlix que was empty, and was hooked. Ran through the whole series in order and caught up to "realtime" midway through S2.0. Yes, season 2 drags a bit in places, but it's worth it.

The thing I love most about this show: Apart from being set in outer space, it's not really sci-fi. More of a great military / political drama. There's no technobabble, everyone dresses and speaks "normally", the guns shoot real bullets which cause people to bleed and die slowly, the cars have rubber tires and burn gasoline, people go to the bathroom (tech note- in the entirety of Star Trek and ST:TNG including all ten movies, nobody once took a shit, and the only person ever to urinate did so while under the influence of an alien virus), getting shitfaced results in a hangover, sickbay does not contain any mysterious glowing devices that heal you instantly, there are no tractor beams or deflector shields... There's really only one piece of "magic" technology, and they hardly ever talk about it. Tom Clancy spent more time spouting technobabble about the propulsion system in Hunt for Red October than they do blathering on about the Jump Drive- it's just the thing in the back that makes the ship go fast.



Tigh is the big mystery. If he & Adama have known each other for 30 years, and it's only been ~45 years since the armistice, how is it possible that in that short space of time they went from walking chrome toasters to skinjobs able to infiltrate the fleet? Ok, assume that given their outcast and apparently individual status, perhaps the five were prototypes. Still, the rest of them don't seem old enough (and if Tigh is a Cylon then we do know that they age at a rate comparable to humans) to have been around when Tigh first joined the fleet.

Not to mention the fact that Caprica Six is pregnant, and Tigh is apparently the only one who has been boning her. That can't happen, or can it?

Anyway, if you're really dying to know the answer, highlight the spoiler below:

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When asked in an interview on March 27, 2007 "Are these four all full Cylons?", Ron Moore replied "Yes, but they are different fundamentally."
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Damn, I thought I needed to get a life. :giggle:

#5 isn't technically in the fleet... If it's already on the Cylon BaseShip. :)


This is my favorite scene of the whole series. I love watching Galactica falling towards earth pissing its Vipers, and 2 seconds before it crashes into New Caprica's surface, crushing Tigh and other Colonials, she jumps away to orbit to fight (3?) BaseStars. And who didn't know that Pegasus was going to jump in to save the day?

Season finale will in in 09, mother fuckers. Oh well, good things come to those who wait.

Was wondering that myself; he's another half cyclon and should be just as rare/special as Hara.

I think my favorite was when all the basestars were destroying galatica, and they were like "this is the end" and then unkown missles start destroying the basestars, and it ended up being the pegasus, that was pretty cool.

My sister got me season one for christmas. within two or three months I had 2, 2.5, 3, and a burned copy of the razor miniseries. good stuff.

Jesus, I don't even wear glasses and I had an urge to put some on, and then push them further up the bridge of my nose after reading this thread.

Show of hands, Star Trek convention/dyno day combo?

i bet you i can do the kessel run in 12parsecs

My brother teases the hell out of me for watching the show, but like Joe said it isn't all that scifi. This from a guy that doesn't like star trek or star wars.

hey now!!!! dont dis the greatness.

Having just re-watched Revelations (this time in 720p, thanks to the magic of uTorrent), one question is really sticking out in my mind, and it provides a theory. The question is: Where did the transmission (described as a Colonial emergency locator beacon) that Starbuck's Viper received come from?

Obviously there's still the question of what happened to Starbuck, which kinda fell off the Dradis after a few episodes. If we assume that Colonial radio transmissions can travel faster than light (and there is anecdotal evidence that they do) then I have one theory which answers two questions.

Hear me out. After she mysteriously returned to the fleet during the battle of the Ionian Nebula, Stabuck described Earth to Lee as having "...Big blue oceans, fluffy white clouds." Later, at debriefing, she describes her ordeal "Took some hits, passed out. When I came to, I was orbiting this planet. Its yellow moon and star matches the description in Pythia. I took these pictures in orbit." A key point we can infer from all her descriptions is that she never landed on the planet, at least not alive.

The transmission came from Starbuck's Viper, crashed on the surface of Earth, with Starbuck's body still in it.

It explains everything. The transmission, the time discrepancy, the shiny new Viper with zero nav data.

I don't know if Starbuck made it to Earth on her own and then crashed (can a Raider jump both itself and another ship?) or if her ship really was destroyed in the storm and transported to Earth later. Either way, her ship was destroyed and she died.

Then the Cylons resurrected her.

They built her a new ship, an exact copy of the original, stuck Starbuck 2.0 into it, sent her for a spin around Earth, and then jumped her back to the fleet.

It raises more questions than it answers, but it fits.

I've spent time trying to poke holes in it, and I can't At first I thought "No, can't be, or Four wouldn't have bothered experimenting on her back on Caprica, nor would Leobin have played house with her on New Caprica." But The Seven didn't know who The Five were back then. Had no means of ID'ing them. Otherwise, why would D'anna have tried to kill Anders in the parking garage on Caprica (and then apologized to him later, after recognizing him) and the Ones have expended so much effort torturing Tigh during the occupation?

The only gotcha is: who did the resurrecting?


Yup. "Then that's it. It's been an honor.", despite being Adama's shortest speech of all time, was the most moving.

She's fast enough for you, old man.

Joe good call out and one I forgot to mention in my previous post; does anybody in the fleet care where starbuck went or who this starbuck is? Like you mentioned these questions stopped being asked fairly quickly.

Like you said it raises more questions;
If the transmission is from the "real" crashed viper then why don't the other colonial ships detect it? Perhaps a range issue for the other ships in the fleet, but I would assume they would detect it once they jumped over the planet.
and as you have asked:
Who/What resurrected starbuck and built the new ship?

So Canada doesn't get any of our good TV shows? ;)

Check out The Wire, The Shield, or Dexter.

To be honest, I've never watched BSG (and thought it ended in '79). Just not my cup of tea. I do need some more crap to download and watch on my commute to work. Maybe I'll give it a shot.

Frank

BSG really is a phenomenally good show.

I was quite scornful of the dorks that used to talked about it constantly. Then I watched the miniseries and was hooked.

Told my brother that it was worth watching... Scorn. Got him the miniseries and first season for his birthday... Now he's hooked, too.

It's good stuff.

Dexter is good. Just not BSG good :)

Two words. Time travel.

Are you guys posting spoilers? Cause if you are im not gonna read this thread.

I am about to start watching the series from the very beggning.

Not spoilers per say, but yeah you should watch the miniseries first.

Yeah, they'd be spoilers for someone who is starting at the beginning.

Lords of Kobol, I pray this isn't the case. So far, they've refrained from using tired, stereotypical sci-fi gimmicks as plot devices, and to me, that's what keeps the show plausible. So long as the number of "spectacular" technologies is kept to a minimum I can suspend disbelief. Time Travel would be jumping the shark.

Not even remotely close. You might as well be comparing Robot Chicken to the Aykroyd / Belushi era of Saturday Night Live.

Battlestar will be remembered right up there with the Sopranos in the annals of awesome television drama, all the more impressive for airing on a network that is generally known for showing old re-runs of Stargate, cheezy ghost stories, and other such feldercarb. Ron Moore, Edward Olmos, Michael Hogan, Mary McDonnell, and Tricia Helfer are going to need wheelbarrows to lug their Emmy awards out of the building this year.

Yeah, it was a big deal initially (they threw her in the brig) and it hung over her like the Sword of Damocles the whole time she was on the Demetrius, but as soon as she stumbled home with a pet Basestar in tow, they sorta dropped it.

While I don't think it's the fifth, there is something about that ship that we haven't learned yet- like why it seems to be capable of performing subliminal Bob Dylan covers. And don't forget which crewmember did the "every nut, bolt and rivet" inspection on it- one who might have subconsciously overlooked something.

And I'd have assumed that as soon as they jumped in, Lt.Cmdr. Data would have piped up and said "Captain, long range scans of the planet's surface indicate moderate levels of ambient ionizing radiation consistent with the radiological signature of nuclear weapons, and tolological surveys show what appear to be the ruins of an ancient civilization" but he didn't, at least not that we saw. Who knows what happened between the "We're home" speech and the launching of the landing party? There was a lot of fast-paced cutting in there, almost a montage. I don't know if that was for dramatic effect, or if a lot of footage wound up on the cutting room floor, for the "long journey" (which was supposed to involve multiple jumps with course refinement along the way), for the approach/landing scene and for Adama's breakdown (he went from rage and destruction to drooling like an infant too quickly, IMO, and where the frak did Lee come from?). I suspect that Revelations was probably storyboarded as a 90 minute episode originally.

Razor. Yeah, everyone seems to be forgetting those since they occured outside of the regular timeline, but it's still cannon and it has to fit into the continuity. A lot of questions are still floating around and I think that a few of them might actually be answers.

We know that there is (was) at least one group of Cylons in existance who were not actively allied with the Signifigant Seven. They were the old-model sentient Centurians on the Guardian Basestar- the one with the Old-Man Hybrid.

That Hybrid was different from the rest. Beyond the obvious physical differences, he seemed to be much more lucid than all the others. He was capable of having a normal, coherant conversation, and seemed to know a lot about Kara, and a lot about Cylon history. Specifically:

1- "Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." He knows about the final five, and that only four of them would be revealed initially. He knows about the alliance, which presupposes knowledge of the civil war. And who is he talking about with "he will find her"? We haven't really arrived at "terrible suffering" yet, so there's still some bad shit to go down.

2- "Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end. She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death. They must not follow her." Well now, how could he even know who Kara Thrace is? I can accept "minority report" style prescience on the part of the Hybrids, they're clearly operating on a different plane of reality. But does it mean that he, the Hybrid, is the one who wound up "manipulating" Starbuck and her ship? Or only that he witnessed someone else doing it.

For that matter, has she already led humanity to its end by bringing them to a dead planet? No, I expect the worst is yet to come. The fleet have at least one more good swift kick in the balls heading their way.

3- "What am I? A man. Or am I a machine? My children believe I am God." His Children. The Signifigant Seven? And does this explain their monotheistic beliefs?

4- "As my own existence comes to a close, only to begin anew, in ways... uncertain." Begin again, eh. Resurrection, or something different? Could it be that the Old Man Hybrid is the Rebel Hybrid? It would explain her knowledge of Kara.


All of this suggests an evolutionary link between the Cylons of the first war and the Cylons of today. It is probable that this generation of Cylons were the ones to create the first Humanoid models, or at least, they built the first Hybrid and then he created the humanoids. We don't know how many more of their model (or perhaps even more of their generation of Basestars and Hybrids) still exist, but hey, ole' Imperious Leader could still be out there maintaining a government-in-exile for all we know.


Yeah. I try not to geek out about it too often (actually, this is the first time I've ever mentioned it on a forum of any kind) but it really is unexpectedly good. I'm old enough to remember the original, and how badly and painfully it sucked, so when I heard there was a new one, and on Sci-Fi of all places, I ignored it. Figured it'd be just another crappy, low-budget rehash of a tired old plot. When I finally watched the miniseries (while home with the flu, bored out of my mind) I was hooked.

Joe,

How do you explain the difference between the earth that Starbuck described and the one they land on? Surely the condition of the planet would have been apparent to her. What about people? Starbuck never mentions population or cities. Earth as the 13th colony has never really made sense, what about the history of earth? Being a colony earth would have been settled by people with significant technology. Where is the evidence of that?

Time travel is a valid explanation. And there is a whole lotta Cylon technology that is no more or less plausible than time travel :) Remember they went back in time in the original series too. Maybe Starbuck ran into Wolfman Jack too?

I still think that the four who have been apparently revealed to be cylons are not cylons at all. During the occupation of New Caprica they were "modified" to believe they were. These new personalities were turned on by some trigger.

I don't think there is a difference. All of Starbuck's observations were made from orbit, and were of a visual nature. It's probable that, unlike a Raptor, a Viper is not equipped with remote sensing equipment capable of making detailed observations about a planet's surface and atmosphere. It's simply not part of the mission requirement for a space-superiority fighter. And insofar as the MK-I Eyeball is concerned, it's not a very good instrument for making topological observations from orbit. During the day, you can't see cities from the space shuttle.

So, she looked around and took some pictures with the gun camera. She described the dominant colors of the planet (blue and green), the most obvious atmospheric feature (puffy white clouds) and decscibed the planet's moon and star simply as "yellow." She snapped pictures of the local star patterns, and remembers seeing "a giant gas planet with rings" on her way out.

None of this is in conflict with the planet that the Fleet landed on. Felix verified that the star patters matched, and from the beauty shot, we see a green / blue planet with puffy white clouds, with a yellow star behind it. Assuming that a long enough period of time elapsed between the (theoretical) nuclear war and the time that the fleet arrived- decades, if not centuries- then from space, the Earth would probably look more or less exactly as it does today.


Evidence of signifigant techlology? There's a bloody car sitting near the edge of the screen during the last few frames, and a skyline littered with ruined skyscrapers and bridges. That suggests a level of technology roughly equal to the rest of the 12 colonies, and we've only seen about 50 feet of a very large planet. Any sattelites they put up would have long ago decayed and re-entered, and it's probable that nobody has even bothered to look closely at the moon yet to see if there are any footprints on it.


I don't like it. They play the Time Travel card and the next thing you know we've got flying motorcycles and Boxy being allowed to play with his robotic dagget in CIC and go on dangeous landing missions. I am so glad we never saw that punk kid again after his first and only appearance. The instant he came on screen, I said to myself "Oh frak... They just jumped the shark."

The Cylons are allowed to get away with some amount of techno-magic because they're exotic, super-advanced beings who have labored in isolation for nearly half a century to prepare for their day of vengance. The Colonials, on the other hand, are just regular folk. They've got their Jump drive, and that's the limit of what they're allowed to do (even by accident) without stretching credibility to the breaking point. Even Resurrection (which is really the only super-exotic Cylon magic technology) was allowed to settle in and become an accepted part of the BSG reality before it was ever used as a plot device.


I'm not buying it. D'Anna saw their faces in the Temple on the Algae Planet and was sufficiently moved by it to commit suicide several times. The Old Man Hybrid predicted their fate rather specifically. There's just no plausible way out of it.

No offense but The Wire is 20 times better than the Sopranos as a series. The last two years of the Sopranos were almost unwatchable. Tony in a wife beater for the 100th time is hardly riveting television.

I'll bet you've never watched The Wire as I've never admittedly watched BSG. I did watch the Sopranos and there's just no comparison to The Wire.

One show is about gangsters whacking people, outsmarting the police, and showing how organized organized crime really is and the other is about fat Italian dudes eating spaghetti. :fawk: ;)

Frank

Hear ye, hear ye. I am now officially resurrecting this corpse of a thread (get it- ressurection?) as I have two things to say.

First:I honestly can't remember if I had started watching The Wire at the time this was posted. It was somewhere in that general timeframe, but for all I know I may have been prompted to do so by the above post. At any rate, yes, it was a damned good show. Highly recommended.




And second:
Hot damn, did I call that one or what? And NO TIME TRAVEL! :fawk:

Doh! You out nerded me!

I discovered BSG a while back and watched everything on Netflix (couple years ago). I'm pretty sure I saw all the TV episodes, but now I'm confused since you're talking about having watched the last episode, today. Were they just reruns, or did they start it up again?

And Caprica Six is a dog. She needs to eat a sammich.

No, the show ended last year. And the final episode, well, there's really no mistaking it. Pretty obvious that it was the FINAL episode. Hard to miss. I just happened to stumble across this old thread while searching for something totally un-related.


Hey, she's good enough for Baltar.


Oh, sidebar. I think I may have posted this somewhere else, but look who I ran into last month at a club in SD:

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/8...1m_098cef4.jpg

Yes, it's true. I am a geek.

came in here to see what noob was about to get banned with a lol ya resurrection post.

Looking at your shirt ... what kind of club was this?

I can't even tell who the fuck that is. Photography fail.

No no no, scratch that. Shirt fail.

JP is giving free moustache rides!

I just frakking finished every episode of BSG. So what happened to Starbuck? How was there a Starbuck 2.0? Do cylons not age? Is Gaius a cylon?

"Omg! The cake is a lie?!?!"

~xkcd

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:


What do YOU think happened to Starbuck?

Maybe she was real, maybe she was something like HeadSix, maybe she was something entirely different altogether.

Maybe they do. Saul Tigh certainly aged, and we can assume that Ellen did as well. Perhaps this quality was unique to the original five, and they chose not to imbue their progeny with it? If the Cavils aged at a "human normal" rate, they wouldn't live very long at all, based on the fact that they seem to be born old.

What does it really mean to be a Cylon?

Who am I supposed to see there? Tyrol?

Sorry for the late reply here.

Yes, that image (which I can no longer find a copy of, but can still see in my mind) was of Aaron Douglas, the actor who played Chief Tyrol, hugging me while wearing a really flamboyant Hawaiian shirt at the 4th & B nightclub in San Diego in July of 2010.

It happened around the time of the first SD W00tstock event (officially W00tstock 2.4), which was the first year that all of the W00tstock organizers pulled their heads out of one anothers' asses and said "Well, shit, I can't do that date, as I'll be at San Diego ComiCon."

Like, they all said that exact sentence to one another at the same time.

So they decided to do a show in San Diego. Which turned into the main epicenter of W00tstock very quickly. (It has since died out, but it had a really good run.)

It was the one at which Molly Lewis, one of the performers, was denied entry into the venue as she was under 21 years of age, due to poor planning and some unforeseen circumstances.

She gave a rock-ukulele performance-in-exile, which came to be remembered as Free Molly, while sitting stop a dumpster out in the freight dock behind the building during the intermission. It is the equivalent of Woodstock in my own personal memory.

To the best of my knowledge, she has still not been impregned by Stephen Fry, despite her best efforts to make this happen.