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curly 12-10-2010 11:02 PM

BPs in F1?
 
Woot! Proof that '90-'93s are better than '94s and up.


Technical changes for 2012 will include the use of biomass-derived fuels and tighter suspension regulations. The biggest changes, however, will come in 2013 with the introduction of a new engine formula (see related story), replacing the current 2.4 litre V8s with 1.6 litre four-cylinder units.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin.../12/11596.html

Joe Perez 12-10-2010 11:31 PM

“Following dialogue with the engine manufacturers and experts in this field, the power units will be four cylinders, 1.6 litre with high pressure gasoline injection up to 500 bar.”

500 bar = 7,252 PSI.

Huh.


“An additional revision to the 2013 regulations will see a drop in the number of engines at drivers' disposal. Currently they can use eight units a season without penalty, but this will be limited to five in 2013 and reduced to four for subsequent seasons.”

So, 470 hp / litre, and they have to last for more than 1,000 miles each.

This will be interesting.

curly 12-10-2010 11:49 PM

I don't mind too much about the 4 banger, we've been spoiled with V8s and V10s for the past couple years.

But I'm pissed that an F1 engine will be the same size as my Miata's, and only have 5,000 revs more. The 12,000 rev limit is way too low.

kotomile 12-10-2010 11:58 PM

500 bar has to be a typo...

emilio700 12-11-2010 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 667517)
500 bar has to be a typo...

Probably about right. Current production direct injection passenger car engines with a mere 12~13.0:1 CR run 1500~3000psi. These F1 engines will likely be well above 18:1 CR.

kotomile 12-11-2010 12:39 AM

Ugh, my reading comprehension is lacking lately. I was reading that as boost pressure..

southernmx5 12-11-2010 01:44 AM

The 12,000 rpm rev limit may be the end of the pneumatic valve systems too. I imagine the new engines will be more like current wrc units.

hustler 12-11-2010 03:09 AM

In for fancy V-band gadgetry.

turotufas 12-11-2010 03:19 AM

Race motor variants in production cars... :pitlab:

messiahx 12-11-2010 03:52 AM

They should just be told: 5 engines a year, 1.6 liters, turbocharged, you have x gallons of y fuel. And let the teams do what they please. I think it'd be way more exciting this way. And why the focus on being enviro-friendly? I don't think I'll ever see F1 as a "green" sport. It exists so people can drive fast cars fast.

pusha 12-11-2010 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by messiahx (Post 667572)
They should just be told: 5 engines a year, 1.6 liters, turbocharged, you have x gallons of y fuel. And let the teams do what they please. I think it'd be way more exciting this way. And why the focus on being enviro-friendly? I don't think I'll ever see F1 as a "green" sport. It exists so people can drive fast cars fast.

I'd kill for an old turbocharged quad-cam Ford Indycar.

JKav 12-11-2010 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 667518)
Probably about right. Current production direct injection passenger car engines with a mere 12~13.0:1 CR run 1500~3000psi.

It's actually nuttier than that -- they run 1800 bar, and 2000 bar (29,000 psi) is becoming the norm.

For commercial diesels, 2500 bar fuel systems are coming in 2012. That's 36,000 psi!

Joe Perez 12-11-2010 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by JKav (Post 667721)
For commercial diesels, 2500 bar fuel systems are coming in 2012. That's 36,000 psi!

?!

Seriously, 36,000 psi is CNC waterjet territory. How the hell do you not carve a hole in the middle of the piston (or just blow the nozzle of the injector apart) with that?

TurboTim 12-11-2010 09:02 PM

The waterjet I ran at my old job was 50k and wouldn't do shit to aluminum without garnet, other than get everything around the tub very very wet.


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