Calling all gun nuts! 1911 opinions
 

Being a peace loving dirty vegan hippy beatnik, I have decided to purchase a 1911 pistol after I consolidate my credit card debt again. The turbo money has to come from somewhere right? Well I have this awesome little piece of plastic and I can wave it at stuff and I never have to pay for it. I am winning all over your face Visa.

Being so close to nature and existing in a Zensunni harmony with all living things, I truly and deeply understand that an essential part of nature is killing other living things. Because of this awesome perspective, despite my vegan religion and burning man attendance, I have no personal issue with death machines and like tools of ultimate domination and control.

Please note: Like Pushy, I grew up as part the liberal social elite, and sadly, during my youth amid the multiple trips to the Hamptons for private squash tournaments and Brussels for waffle tastings, I never had the opportunity to broadly acquaint myself with firearms.

Today, I am at a sad and ignorant intersection, for yesterday, I shot Sig and Kimber 1911 pistols and truly enjoyed the experience. They were full size, and I perceived less recoil than my .40 S&W Sig P226, and within the first 50 rounds of each gun, was able to shoot much tighter groupings that I do after 2000 rounds with my P226.

I enjoyed the 1911 experience so much that I desire to partake of that experience at will. I want a 1911, for shooting it was sweet like Icewine. What new, accurate out-of-the-box 1911s does MT.net recommend? The use case is casual target shooting and also shooting drills, and if necessary, personal offense. No carrying. Full size please. I curl 50lbs (big boner) and a heavier gun is preferred.

Thank you.

You stupid fuck.

I would never buy a 1911 because I have this fully worked and tefloned P220 and I believe it to be superior to any 1911 I've ever had the displeasure of firing

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Sig Sauer's customer service is second only to Ruger and their build quality trumps SA. IDGAF how many Kimber disciples come in here and talk about how awesome their ratchet is and how many olives they've shot at 200 yds.

FUCK A 1911

I've never owned a 1911 but I have shot a Kimber (and a few others). The Kimber shot like butter. If I had an extra $1500 (what the particular Kimber cost that I was playing with) laying around I would buy one in an instant. However, being the cheap ass that I am I would never shoot it because I would not be able to bear the thought of buying 45 ammo vs the 22's I normally buy.

Is that P220 a 45? What did you pay for it? (just curious)

What kind of a budget are you working with? That's kind of an important piece of information when trying to recommend a 1911.

Check out Hatfields Gun Smithing in Manassas VA if you ever need work done on whatever 1911 you get. They do some amazing work and specialize in 1911's and AR-15's.

I used to own a Rock Island 1911 compact. I felt it was heavy for a compact handgun, and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. I traded it in for a Glock 19.
This will cause a debate I know it. "If you get hit with a .45 it does a hell of a lot more damage than a 9mm." True, but that's if I can hit you with it. I can throw my 33 round mag in my glock and put all 33 rounds in someone's face at 50 yards.

Part of the thing with big guns and self defense is where is the 2nd shot going to hit. You can have a .50 cal handgun but if it kicks like hell you'll never be able to get the second shot on target. Of course, if you hit with the first shot with that thing you probably don't need to shoot anywhere but at the ground (where he is laying) after that. Although I would never use it for self defense, I'm pretty sure I could put 10 rounds from my P22 in the bad guys chest. That's gotta hurt!

FWIW, I just got back from a local gun show. I put a sign around my chest/back saying I had a Remington 1100 I wanted to sell/trade. The guy at the first table in the door bought it from me for $300. I then spent an hour looking at every table in the place for an AK47. I can't believe there wasn't a single one there. Very strange...

I've never used them but I have a link to http://www.macesports.com/ in my favorites. At one time they had some really good prices (new and used). If you are looking for an FFL you can find a good list of them on gunbrokers. My local gunshop wanted $75 but I found a guy on there who would accept shipments for $15.

People are buying them up like nothing else right now, it's the new craze going on right now. When you do find one be prepared to pay a bit more than you would have a year or two ago for the same thing.

Two things, one not all 1911's are created equal. Two, the more you practice with ANY GUN the better you will be able to handle it, that's just common sense. Any pussy can pick up a .22 and pop ten rounds off and get them on paper, yes. Spend a few days at the range learning how to control your .45 and you'll be able to put all your rounds on paper quick with that too regardless of the recoil.

Edit: Oh BTW, I'm not some 1911 purist, I own 1911's in .45 and 9mm, as well as quite a few "plastic guns" and plenty of different styles of rifles, I just hate to see something generalized so easily as "I had a 1911 and it sucked, so all 1911's suck." Although right now all I get to see on a daily basis is my crappy GI M4 and the occasional SAW or 240B

I haven't been following prices on them. I have looked at the SKS prices over the past few years for some reason and the price on them has dropped (about 50%) since the Obama Gun Fever has died down a bit.

I could buy this AK for $379 without any magazines. Not sure what the shipping is. I'd rather pick one up locally if possible. I know the pawn shops always have them but I haven't check on their prices.

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Just build your own AK, cheaper, more fun, know what goes into the gun, and kills some time. Check out ar15.com's AK section.

Yeah, that's why I'm interested in one. I literally picked up the sig and kimber and shot really well with tight groupings.

Regarding rifles, I do not want an AK. I want a Mini-30.

Yes, it's a .45. I traded my dad a couple Glocks for it after he got bored with it.

Soooo, what kind of budget do you have for the 1911?

The Mini-30 is a decent gat but you missed the days of hi-cap mags at Walmart.

$1500.

Guns are for pussies

I've heard nothing but good things about Rock Island right up until thirdgen's post. Their "Match" is a big jump in price but most feel it's worth it. Are you going to be doing any bullseye competitions? If not the tactical may be fine.

+1 for building an AK. I'm going to a build party later this month and putting together a PSL (AK derivative).

Cheaper? Yeah, that's me. I'll check it out tonight.

I figured since I had an SKS already I should get an AK since I can share ammo. Might not be a huge concern though but seemed like it when I made the decision.

Edit - I see the Mini-30 (something I am not at all familiar with) also shoots the 7.62 x 39. I'll check it out...

Before I had my AR, I had a Mini-14. It was a very nice rifle, with many aftermarket options. The mini-30, from what I understand, is the same thing as a mini-14, just in 7.62x39. I'd say, if you want to be different and not own an SKS or an AK, the mini-30 would be an excellent choice.

Yes, I would like to do competitive pistol shooting.

I'll look into Rock Island.

I went to a shop and had a liking for a Kimber Team Match. I don't really think I need a super duper ultra match barrell though so I'm thinking about this one instead:

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Rock Island can suck a dick. My homeboys in the DEA had all sorts of issues with their products.

If you build an AK variant with anything other than a MILLED receiver, you're a fool.

The Mini-30 is a great weapon but the round is pure shit. They're a lot of fun with 40 round magazines. Got dat banana clip, let Chiquita speak.

You ditched a Mini-14 to get a mediocre AR? Boy, is you crazy?

There just might be a couple million dead people who just might disagree with this statement. I could be wrong, though.

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Went to Grandmas house one time and brought a piece of 1/2" stainless diamond plate on which I welded a loop of chain so I could hang it from a tree as a target. We shot it all day with all sorts of pistols and hit it tons of times with a 45 (could kind of "almost" see where they hit it). Pulled out the new SKS, loaded it up and shot at the target a few times. It looked like I couldn't hit it at all so I thought something must have been wrong with the sights. Got a little closer and could finally see what the problem was. The 7.62x39 rounds were going right through it so fast that it wasn't even making the metal ring out. The metal plate looked like I had drilled holes in it. That round might not be as bad ass as some other stuff out there but I sure wouldn't want to get hit with it.

FWIW, had a friend who works at a certain US Military vehicle manufacturing facility sneak out a couple of pieces of 1/2" armor plating for me. The next time I get a chance I'll see what happens when I shoot that.


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I ditched a Stainless Steel Ranch Rifle Mini 14 that I bought used. It was NOT broken in correctly by the previous owner and the barrel was Eff'd. It had a scope on it, and at 100 yards could not get a consistent grouping if my life depended on it. It came with 3 30 round mags and 2 40's. I think the previous owner used to load all the mags and then pull the trigger as fast as he could, cause it was "the cool thing to do" in his mind.
I gave my mini-14 and a few bucks which totalled $650 towards a bull barreled DPMS which was over $1200, but the dealer had to order it. I would pay the balance when the gun arrived. The dealer jerked me off for months till I finally walked in there and said, "where's my rifle?" He made excuses all over, so I said, "give me that one that's on the wall for my credit and we're even." He did, so I got a gun for $650, that was originally was marked for $850.
I do miss the Mini-14 though. My friend has a non stainless one, and I have a feeling it's gonna get sold to me very soon.

If you are looking for a premium 1911 or 2011, consider an STI. I have an STI Executive and they are very sweet shooting guns. Google STI 2011.

Otherwise, I have a brand new in box Springfield 1911 that I won at a pistol match that I would sell.

Not that it matters to any of you gung-ho Rambo assholes, but when it comes to ACCURACY AT RANGE, the round is horrible. There's a NOTICEABLE amount of drop at anything over 50 yards. It's simply too heavy for its own good.


Same could be said for musketballs. Saying that a weapon has killed xyz amount of people has nothing to do with its accuracy or the effectiveness of the round, all it says is that the weapon is popular.


I'll agree to a certain extent. I picked up a newer-style Ranch Rifle to compare to my AC556 and I was sorely disappointed.

If you want big damage, accurate shooting, and cheap price grab a Mosin Nagant. That 7.62x54r round in surplus hot rounds is a freakin menice. I just picked up 2 of them this weekend after seeing some kids having a blast with them at the range a couple of weeks ago. When you shoot one at the range everyone looks ): lol. They go between 70-170 and most are in almost brand new condition. You can also get 440 rounds for 75.00.





As far as pistols go, if you are that bad of a shot that you can't hit anything with a plastic 9mm then go for that 1911.

My buddy just got a 1911 in 9mm(yes I know, lame). After dissing it, I actually shot it and was pleasantly surprised. Personally if I was dropping the funds for a 1911 id spring for something with a little better magazine capacity.

As for the AK talk, I agree with pusha on both accounts. 7.62x39 is not very accurate at any real distance, and stamped receiver ak47's are lame(although cheap). Ive been rocking a Galil remake called the Golani. http://www.tropicalfirearms.com/images/Golani.jpg

Milled receiver, collapsible stock, LONG 18" barrel, .223 and 5.56 rated.

$1500 for a 1911? Fuck it, just by yourself something from Springfield and spend the rest on plinking ammo.

Yeah, $1500 - and the guy had THREE of them...

Fondled a Springfield GI. $400. Did not like.

Three of what? Kimbers?

Don't get me wrong, Springfield is no Wilson Combat by any means, but at that price point, you're not gonna get much better bang for your buck. Check out their other lines than the GI, they're pretty low quality in comparison.

There's always Colt if you can't find a Springfield that you think is decent.

Yeah it felt solid but it also felt cheap. I also did not like the sights. 3 dot please.

You use sites on a pistol?

+1 on the STI (Former Blackwater Buddy swears by his)

And Pusha be damn'd, the Kimber CDP Pro I bought as a retirement gift for myself had the "bells & whistles" I wanted and fired excellently out of the box.

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What the fuck do you use, the Schwartz??

I have a Kimber Compact Stainless, easily the sweetest shooting 1911 I've ever handled, and dead accurate right out of the box. They're not cheap but they're worth every penny IMHO.