can someone in the military tell me what this is?
 

Hey guys, as some of you know, I have a son going to school in Texas. He just received this in the mail:


Is this a prank?

What should he do about it? Can he just ignore it?

He's legally in the US under a Student Visa.

Do you guys know if this organization is indeed a part of the US government or is this some kind of scam trying to get his visa info?

Thanks,

Not a prank, its a selective service registration card. As far as I know, all college students have to register for selective service when they enroll, at least my school requires it.

Yup. Every american (male at least) has to sign up for selective service at the age of 18. You are basically putting you name into a potential future draft pool. Pretty sure you are legally obligated to do it. Its highly likely that he had to register for it to attend a a state college. I KNOW that you have to be registered to qualify for any state or federal student financial aid.

It is a legitimate organization.

"If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know."
From the .gov site

Thanks guys. So, he should send the form back along with a copy of his I-94 Visa. He's not a US citizen.


Many thanks for the help. :bigtu:

Wiki FTW:
Selective Service System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Summary, it's legit.

Chris

I don't believe you have to be a citizen. If you are a male living in the US mean you have to register.

Now I'm curious. What is the deal with selective service when not a citizen? They can't call a non citizen to serve can they?

I never filled that shit out lol

A quote from Wikipedia:

"Who must register
Under current law, all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. In addition, foreign males between the ages of 18 and 26 living in the United States must register. This includes permanent residents (holders of Green Cards), refugees, asylees, dual citizens, and undocumented/illegal aliens.[2] Foreign males in the United States as lawful non-immigrants (international students, visitors, diplomats, etc.) are not required to register.[2] Failure to register as required is grounds for denying a petition for US citizenship."

Given what I just highlighted, I take it he has to send the form and card back along with a copy of his I-94.

Also; neogenesis mentioned financial aid but he's not using any kind of financial aid for this.

BTW Dan, what a pleasure to hear from you! ;)

They absolutely can. Its a condition of your status of your green card or whatever paperwork you had to obtain to legally enter the country.

Looking at the form, it looks like he's already enrolled. Knowing our govt the way we all seem to, I doubt sending it back will cause them to deenroll him. Its really not a big deal, I doubt there will be another draft until WWIII.

Thats stupid. So they can tell a citizen of another country that is just here going to school that they have to fight for the US? I wasn't aware of that. I would just go back home and go to school somewhere else :giggle:

Thinking about it, I don't think I ever got my card. I don't remember sending mine in when I turned 18, and I'm sure I had to have filled one out as I was under financial aid 4 or 5 years ago the first time I was in school. Maybe I haven't lol

If you ever filled out a FAFSA then you are registered.

Then they never sent me anything for it. Not that I want any paperwork, the government gets enough paperwork out of me as it is. I do recall talking about a FAFSA recently and she said I was registered, so I guess I did and just don't remember.

You did when you filled out your FAFSA the first time. Its part of the form. There is a checkbox that says "Have you registered for selective service?". If you check NO, you get registered. If you check yes and you are lying, they will find out and you will be denied all aid.

He's never filled one. In fact, I'm aware of FAFSA but only because we have been translating those documents for a local university for the last 9 months.

His mom and I are paying for that from our own savings :vash:

I got registered by registering to vote when I was 18 automatically.

Still hate that stupid fucking law :/

Now I get what neogenesis means! I guess most US students apply for student loans.

In all the documents we had to translate it was clear that you had to be a US citizen or resident to apply for student loan assistance.

thats probably why i got denied aid, haha

Rafa, you might want to block out all the personal information, don't pull a Hustler! :)

Not being drafted isn't working out for you? :giggle:

Chris

Two separate things being discussed here.

A "green card" means that you are a legal permanent resident. You're not a citizen, but you have many of the rights (and obligations) of a citizen. You have to pay taxes and register for the SS, but you also have the right to stay as long as you wish, travel freely in and out of the country, etc. Green card = immigrant.

A Visa is a completely different thing. They are temporary, and are issued for a specific purpose (work visa, student visa, tourist visa). As it says right on the form, if you are here on visa, you are not required to register.

Yes, if he doesn't want to be registered. Looks like he got registered somehow filling out forms (driver's license maybe), but he IS eligible to de-enroll due to visa status.

If he plans on staying in the States after he finishes school he might as well stay enrolled.

Damn gospeed; your analysis makes a lot of sense. I would presume this happened because he had to fill a lot of forms to get his US driver's license and had to wait 2 months for the definitive form.


This part is also something he now would have to think about. His original plan wasn't to stay in the States but some work doors are opening and he's beginning to consider it. You say that if that were the case, he'd be better off staying enrolled in that program, right?

Many thanks to all for the assistance :bigtu:

You know Jay, I thought it would be appropriate but; it's a scanned document he sent me and I didn't know how to do it :bang:

Most of the international students I know that originally planned on going back home have found great job offers and are now going to stay here. Once you acclimate to the different culture it's easy to feel at home.

Once he applies for green card or citizenship he would have to apply again. I'm pretty sure I've sent in multiple Selective Service forms between voting registration, driver's licenses and school. And I'm about to no longer be required to.

Im a legal permanent resident. I got register when I filled to fix my status and when I applied to FASFA.

He'd been there many times before (he even went to a summer camp in SC a long time ago). He likes the lifestyle.

The thing about the MSS forms in his case is that he's 24 (pursuing a post-graduate degree) so he'll be 26 by the time he finishes school.

BTW gospeed, if you ever go up to Dallas, let me know so I can ask Manny to meet with you.

Many thanks for the help.

I honestly wouldn't bother messing with it then. It's really just a formality to have a draft pool. Will never happen, and if they did call you they would give you an opportunity to verify eligibility (age, residency status etc.).

Me gustaria conocer a su hijo (pero no como le gustaria a hustler). Dile que si viene a College Station por qualquier que le enseno el campus y le llevo por los burritos famosos Freebirds (que ni comparan a la comida de DF). De donde son? Creo que me dijo el Yucatan, pero empieza temprano el Alzheimers en mi familia.

Done.

Many thanks Joe! :bowdown:

lmao damn that explains a lot. I never filled that bullshit out. Fuck war.
Each country should have a ninja squad formed of people from that country to fight other ninja squads from other countries. Now that would be fucking cool. Like George Carlin said "you could pay-per-view that shit and balance the fucking budget!" :bowrofl:














this post was brought to you by weed. :idea:

btw Rafa where are you from?

He's pretty busy with his studies but I plan to visit him in the not too distant future. I'll take that opportunity to drive down south.

El Alzheimers te afecta de verdad. :laugh: España es nuestro país de origen. You've seen my Avatar ;)

Spain but my wife is Dominican and my 3 sons were also born in DR.