kotomile

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Saml01

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This is what my tax dollars are going too? I am supposed to feel sad when these ******* get capped?

I guess I now know why the military takes only complete idiots into the infantry.

Im sorry if this is cruel, or really nasty, but when I see **** like this and everything they say about the war it makes me think its all a big ******* joke.

silentbob343

Howard Stern had a marine on the show last week and it was pretty cool to hear him talk about how things have changed over there. You can find the video on Howard On Demand or the internet if you like.

Vashthestampede

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I'm very gungho for anything military, always will be. But unfortunately this is true. Alot of fuckups, losers, ------s, and other dipshits end up serving in the military. Not a whole lot of people just up and join, so sometimes you gotta take what you can get. The army is best when it comes to taking really anyone. Give a college kid that thinks he's a riot a gun and you have a shitbag soldier that doesn't actually "serve" ****.

That dickwad wasn't even funny, he had nothing else to say so he just repeated himself. Meanwhile 2 cars full of terrorist drove by and later shot him in the head for being a ******* ****.

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Miatamaniac92

Oh don't be such a hippy.

You don't know anything about the situation that they were going through. Take the video for what it's worth and stop reading so deep into it.

So you now know everything about the Infantry by watching that video? Whatever.

I thought it was pretty funny and a pretty good impression.

Vash,
It's called the 10% rule. There's always going to **** ups any place you goto work, except in the most selective of units/specialties (and they have there fair share of crazies).

Chris

Vashthestampede

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This is just my opinion, but any place you gotta work is not the same as the military. Thats just a bit more responsibility than being the server guy, or the mechanic down at the garage. I mean, your supposed to be a soldier.

Subjects like this are touchy, but I can never back down on a military related issue. Everyone has different opinions and what not, but really, its supposed to be the military. Funny to some or not he is not showing our country's military any kind of professionalism at all. Think of that old hardcore military guy you know that chews on rocks instead of toothpicks. Those guys were ******* soldiers. Nowadays we send babies and psychos, hell even gang members.

My mind could wander for hours about such things. It raises my blood pressure just talking about it.

Vash-

disturbedfan121

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+1 vash

silentbob343

In case anybody hasn't realized he was doing Will Ferrel's Harry Caray;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x7JYADhWIo
In case you guys havn't seen Ferrel's Harry Caray, pay attention at 2:25;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...FYS4rgLKwvWcCQ

samnavy

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Vash and Sam, sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

If your knowledge of combat comes from Fox and Youtube and I can tell you for an absolute fact that your opinions about who serves today couldn't be more wrong. I can tell you from very up and close personal experience... guys who find ways to cope are the ones who come home alive and go on to lead productive lives when they get out. Guys who can't cope or don't take a few minutes a day to be human again are the ones who end up with PTSD or simply lose their minds or make a mistake and end up dead.

And while the military may occasionally take the dregs of society to fill it's ranks... there's nothing dreg about soldiers that come out of boot camp and make it to a platoon or tank or ship or aircaft. The training changes lives and turns undisciplined hoodlums into people who can think efficiently and operate under almost all circumstances. A front-line soldier today is a specialist, highly trained and an expert in many fields. Using the term "grunt" anymore really doen't apply. I see this every day. I live it every day. I command about 70 of these "fuckups" and it warms my heart every day I go to work knowing that they'll be there.

I will reiterate. Vash and Sam, you are 100% completely and absolutely wrong about those who make it into combat on the ground.

And as for the guy doing the IMPERSONATION in the YouTube video, you need to watch a little more real TV if you didn't get the joke:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/14862fadb0

kotomile

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Exactly. And Saml01 - stop worrying about your tax dollars, unless you'd like to trade scenarios with the guy.

+eleventy to everything you said too, Sam.

silentbob343

It also looks as though he has an M14, a rifle that has been tasked for marksman/sniper duty with variants used by special forces. Not sure if he would be your typical "grunt" if he was issued an M14, so at least he can shoot better than avg.

Savington

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If the M14 was made out of cheese, would ya eat it?

edit: I sure would. I'd ask for seconds. And then I'd finish it off with a tall cool Budweiser.

drewbroo

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I've been tasked at standing checkpoints over seas before... (Afghanistan) granted with a K9 unit, and we are searching for bombs. You do start finding interesting ways to entertain yourself. After searching 1000 smelly construction workers, in their jingle trucks, (Over the course of a 12 hour shift.) you will go nuts if you stand there like a robot all day. Sam/Vash you have to cut these people some slack, they are home away from their families, and working 6 days on 1 day off 12-14 hour shifts. And they don't get paid hourly.

If your so worried about your tax dollars, vote a libertarian in, and get all these useless government programs, and earmarks cut.

Saml01

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I dont know anything about combat, youre right. But if I was in that situation, where my life was on the line every day until I was back to home soil, I wouldnt be acting like a ******* idiot and I would probably pistol whip that guy for being one and putting everyone else in danger.

Its not funny any way you slice it.

You call this coping? This isnt coping, this is a bunch of guys who have nothing else to do and apparently dont care about their safety or fellow soldiers.

You think the army is gonna give them a pat on the back for acting like idiots and chalk it up to coping?

I didnt claim to know everything about the military, but from that video I can see these guys do not value their safety. While filming that stupid video a sniper could have killed all of them while they let their guard down. Dont tell me it isnt possible either, because it is.

Then we would hear the news the next morning say a bunch of soldiers were killed during an engagement with enemy troops. What we wont hear is that these same soldiers were trying to be comedians when the event occured.

Its not about being a hippy, its about caring what people do and what they represent.

Saml01

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Considering what I do on a daily basis, I wouldnt mind.


I never said that the military recruits special ed kids, thats all Vash right there.

I simply disagree with the actions of these "soldiers".

I can understand finding creative ways to entertain yourself, but not in the field, where you are part of a team, where you need to be 100% all the time.

Maybe because I have never served, and god knows I wanted too, but I would not find it cute if that was happening around me.

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I just want our troops home, this so called war has gone on long enough.

Zabac

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Quit your jewing Sam, there is nothing wrong with how thoes guys make their days go by.
Imagine if you were over there for 6-12 months at a time with no vagina, you need to try and have a good time. Being constantly serious would wear them out and drive them nuts.

I think your punishment should be to read everything Samnavy said 25 times back to back, because he sums it up to the tee.

Vashthestampede

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I've been to MEPS as well as Parris Island. I signed my papers to serve my country cause that's what I wanted to do (and I'm a crazy ****). I saw FIRST HAND what kind of person is brought into the military. I was right beside many a kids that should not have been at all learning how to kill.

Sorry Sam, you can talk all you want about every subject under the sun like you do, but I'm not pulling anything out of my ***. This is just something I feel very strongly about. You can have your opinion, and I will keep mine. I have the utmost respect for really anyone that has the ***** to sign the papers for any branch of military. Especially in this day in age when our guys are getting killed left and right by women and children with bombs on them.

You can argue till next year with me sam, but I will not change my opinion. I'm not talking about the guys from Vietnam that still suffer from flashbacks. I'm talking about the baby boys we give guns to that finger their pussies instead of paying attention to whats going on around them. If I was there, I'd ******* crack all their jaws for ******* around instead of doing our job. Don't forget, idiots like that are not the kind you can rely on in a combat situation, that might mean your life.

And sam, I think you should do more research on the average soldier in TODAYS army/navy/air force/marines. YES, **** faced ***** end up with a stronger mind mentally and maybe can turn their once garbage life around. That is very true, I have no argument there. But more and more we have gang members joining solely for the purpose to bring their new-found knowledge back to the streets. That is sad. Its sad that we are running out of good, strong, Americans to join our military. I am obviously not speaking for everyone that joins, but this is a very true fact.

You can do you writeups on PayPal and freak out at noobs all you want. But your retaliation to what I said really holds no ground to anything I was talking about. And as far as not getting the joke, I don't watch alot of tv.

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drewbroo

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So whats your qualifications after that? All I gathered is that you inprocessed into the system, and then got out when basic got hard.

Its one thing to be a hardass in the military all the time, but if you spent any time in the military, in a supervisory position, you can obviosly see these guys are just doing what they can to boost morale. (Its a good thing)

silentbob343

A sniper could just as easily kill them while they check out the van "properly".
Well played sir, well played.

I think this form of coping is a lot better than what the boys did during Vietnam, i.e. sitting in tents getting baked out of their heads and shooting up opiates.

Vashthestampede

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Basic got too hard? lol! I loved every second of basic at Parris island and its something I'll never forget. I didn't sign papers to just back out. I quit my job 2 months prior to leaving for bootcamp just to train. My goal throughout bootcamp was to graduate LCpl, top of my platoon. I didn't let anyone stand in my ******* way.

After 5 weeks or so I was pulled to speak with one of the medical doctors there. They said that with my medical condition there was no way I could continue training. I was then approached by one of the drill sergeants and asked how did I expect to hold a gun and so on. I was really confused and wasn't sure what was going on. I had 10 different emotions flowing through my head.

When I was 8 years old I snapped my arm in half and lost any movement or feeling in my left arm from the elbow to my fingers for close to a year. One day I woke up and it was normal again, the doctors told me it was a miracle. Now reading up on the marines I knew I shouldn't bring it up at all, seeing it was a old injury. I went through MEPS and passed all my tests just fine, never speaking about that specific occurrence.

I had no say in anything. I tried to explain myself about the injury and tell them that I was by far stronger than 90% of the guys right there with me. They basically turned on me like I was a pile of **** and sent me packing. Everything happens for a reason I guess, so I've come to terms with it. I went through a bit of depression when I first came home, then went right to work pouring concrete to keep myself physically busy.

I guess that's why I get upset when I see things like that. I would have done anything for the opportunity to stay, but guys that didn't want to be there got to stay instead of me. I was very sour toward the military for awhile, but like I said I've come to terms. My gf, friends, and family were all relieved that things happened how they did.

I loved every second of basic. The day I got my gun was a day I'll never forget. It sucks how everything went down, mainly for the reason that I had NO say. If everything went fine I would have already served my 4 years by now and maybe re-enlisted.

Vash-